I think it's obvious he doesn't actually play his own mod.
FTB Mod Discussion: Greg-Tech
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I think it's obvious he doesn't actually play his own mod.
If he did, the mod wouldn't be so...the mod might be more...balanced.
that reminds me of dayz, and its bone breaking mechanics... it seems that the patient is getting worse...[DOUBLEPOST=1369663017][/DOUBLEPOST]
its pretty balanced on its own, if you look at it from prospective of korean f2p mmorpg...
I knew from the beginning that the "steel" in its name one day would cause problems.
MOJAAAAAAAAAANG!!!! RENAME IT TO FLINT AND IRON!
greg adding something useful with reasonable cost? that was a good one
GTB does do that....sometimes...ok, ALMOST never
You mean other than everything he adds, with a few exceptions? Gregtech actually makes almost everything cheaper, if you do the math, plus adds a whole lot of very useful blocks and machines. I recommend you actually try playing with gregtech and getting a ways into it before you comment on its balance. I will admit that a few of the changes may go a bit to far, but all of them can be disabled in the config, and they all add something to the game.
Take into account that gregtech allows you to more than triple your ore output, and adds a ton of other ways to gather your materials, that, along with the myriad of useful, cheaper recipes for various components. for an example, lets use the supposedly "more expensive" solar panel recipe. in vanilla IC2 you need:
3 Coal for Coal Dust
3 Glass
6 Redstone
3 Sticky resin
5 Copper ore
2 Tin ore
5 Iron ore
8 Cobble Stone
Now, lets look at the gregtech recipe. The main changes are that it requires silicon plates, and a carbon plate. The silicon plates come from silicon, which you get very often as a byproduct of electrolysing more important things. in the worst case, you can get it from sand. so it is essentially free. The carbon plate can now also be made from carbon cells, which are in the same boat as silicon. in the worst case, you can get it from sugar cane or charcoal. so it, to, is essentially free.
Now let's look at the rest of the recipe. this is where the cheaper part comes in. You need two electronic circuits, and a tier one machine hull. The electronic circuits, using the wiremill and assembly machine, require 2 copper, one iron or aluminium, and 2 electrum, plus 2 sticky resin using the centrifuge (incidentally, it can also now be gotten through rubberwood) all of those metals can be gotten at triple ore yield using GT processing. aluminium is gotten as a byproduct of electrolyzing as well,so you could also consider it free, while electrum and copper can be harvested from nether lava, and gold can be gotten through glowstone. The machine hull can be using the traditional machine block, or you could also use 8 aluminium or bronze instead.
So, for a total, using iron recipes, and not counting the other ways of getting the metals, you need:
3 iron ore
1 copper ore
2 sticky resin
1 gold
1 silver
Tell me again which is cheaper? Sure, it is more complex, and requires higher tier machines, but that is what gregtech is all about. It adds a much deeper tech tree than standard IC2. There wouldn't be much point in progression if you could get everything you need off the bat. And you get rewarded with a much better ability to harvest resources, so earlier things become cheaper and easier, as any good tech tree should do. I also recommend that you try actually playing gregtech for a while, you may find you like it more than you thought you would. Some of the people in this thread clearly have never actually tried it.
3 Coal for Coal Dust
3 Glass
6 Redstone
3 Sticky resin
5 Copper ore
2 Tin ore
5 Iron ore
8 Cobble Stone
Now, lets look at the gregtech recipe. The main changes are that it requires silicon plates, and a carbon plate. The silicon plates come from silicon, which you get very often as a byproduct of electrolysing more important things. in the worst case, you can get it from sand. so it is essentially free. The carbon plate can now also be made from carbon cells, which are in the same boat as silicon. in the worst case, you can get it from sugar cane or charcoal. so it, to, is essentially free.
Now let's look at the rest of the recipe. this is where the cheaper part comes in. You need two electronic circuits, and a tier one machine hull. The electronic circuits, using the wiremill and assembly machine, require 2 copper, one iron or aluminium, and 2 electrum, plus 2 sticky resin using the centrifuge (incidentally, it can also now be gotten through rubberwood) all of those metals can be gotten at triple ore yield using GT processing. aluminium is gotten as a byproduct of electrolyzing as well,so you could also consider it free, while electrum and copper can be harvested from nether lava, and gold can be gotten through glowstone. The machine hull can be using the traditional machine block, or you could also use 8 aluminium or bronze instead.
So, for a total, using iron recipes, and not counting the other ways of getting the metals, you need:
3 iron ore
1 copper ore
2 sticky resin
1 gold
1 silver
Tell me again which is cheaper? Sure, it is more complex, and requires higher tier machines, but that is what gregtech is all about. It adds a much deeper tech tree than standard IC2. There wouldn't be much point in progression if you could get everything you need off the bat. And you get rewarded with a much better ability to harvest resources, so earlier things become cheaper and easier, as any good tech tree should do. I also recommend that you try actually playing gregtech for a while, you may find you like it more than you thought you would. Some of the people in this thread clearly have never actually tried it.
so it makes cheaper thing at phase, when i`m, personally, care not about such minor cost decreases, and consumes more time. i personally, see no point in such approach.
besides, in official release of ftb ultimate there is no such thing as wiring machine and plate bender yet, so i`d like to know what cheap stuff i`m missing atm. is there any "cheap" stuff that i`d try in current version of the pack?
P.S. advanced solars have poor design
besides, in official release of ftb ultimate there is no such thing as wiring machine and plate bender yet, so i`d like to know what cheap stuff i`m missing atm. is there any "cheap" stuff that i`d try in current version of the pack?
P.S. advanced solars have poor design
You keep using the word 'free'. Except a large number of Gregtech process require a crap ton of time and EU to perform. Time, which is not internally limited. So Greg is now charging me external resources. Which is bad game design. It doesn't matter how you try to fudge it, at no point in Minecraft will you go 'oh no time is running out' in reference to any internal problem. If you could play Minecraft forever, the time needed to perform any process becomes effectively meaningless. However, since you can't do such a thing, external time limits apply. Now, obviously, some waiting time is around in Minecraft. However, it's generally short, unless you process 128 cobble in one furnace like a caveman. However, Gregtech has single processes that take minutes. I don't care how effective your process is resource-wise if it takes that long.
You could interchange between types of machine blocks and electronic circuits to reduce costs & junk that needs sorting. Cant really think of more as of now.