FTB Mod Discussion: Greg-Tech

[Daemonblue]

WTF?! This is the first time I dont really like a GT update.. At least we have more options.. but.. :/ He should have waited until matches were done before changing Flint and Steel..

And if we are going for the realistic shit here, it isn't neither iron or steel, but manganese which is used in survival for fires.. (I do sportive survival as a hobby, and i have one of them rocks )

That was actually my main complaint. Using lava and wood it took me 30 minutes to light a nether portal (cause I wasn't sure how to get it working right and the tutorial vids conflicted with each other -_-). Making the flint and steel change without the alternative is like shooting a horse cause it didn't pull your carriage fast enough - either way you're going nowhere until you get a new horse.

 

[wolfsilver00]

while not instant, its still a source of sparks, and thus fire. i dont think that many people when play minecraft care much about flint n steel`s durability

Umm, I do, I usually play A LOT with fire.. Like.. A lot.. xD AAAAaaaaaaand... It's different, manganese rocks aren't just a source of "sparks" but heat.. INTENSE heat. And it works like flint and steel does in the game.. That's why I was talking about realism, because of how fast you can make a fire with it. If we're going to max realism, we could make a fire with a stick and paper. Glass and light. Or simply with a battery and some aluminum.. I'm just giving the option that most resembles the one in minecraft.

 

[Dravarden]

if we are going with realism, one does not simply light obsidian on fire...

 

[giesergast]

what i love about gregtech is that it forces you to make a original (or at least more original than solar) powersource before you can get to solar because you need quite a lot of power to get you solar set up you cant just immediately make a lvsolar panel like in direwolf pack it forces you to set up maybe a blaze and a ender farm to get eyes of ender to put in magic energy converter or another original system

 

[Loufmier]

If we're going to max realism, we could make a fire with a stick and paper. Glass and light.

addition of these options would be nice, since they can be implemented by resources that minecraft has on its own.
anyway in game when you can see floating cubic meter of iron, i dont thing the wrong name matters much, but gerg has issues with logic...

if we are going with realism

we wouldnt play minecraft

what i love about gregtech is that it forces you to make a original (or at least more original than solar) powersource before you can get to solar because you need quite a lot of power to get you solar set up you cant just immediately make a lvsolar panel like in direwolf pack it forces you to set up maybe a blaze and a ender farm to get eyes of ender to put in magic energy converter or another original system

uhuh, lava, very original... did i tell that advanced solar have poor design, before?

 

[giesergast]

lol oke lava is really bad i try not use it to fast still better than solar though

 

[wolfsilver00]

uhuh, lava, very original... did i tell that advanced solar have poor design, before?

Am i wrong or Greg nerfed it in the last update? For example, no more thermal generators.. (which i don't fucking like at all.. but.. blagh.)

 

[Loufmier]

lol oke lava is really bad i try not use it to fast still better than solar though

i didnt said its bad, but abit overused. from lag generation prospective, solar probably better.

Am i wrong or Greg nerfed it in the last update? For example, no more thermal generators.. (which i don't fucking like at all.. but.. blagh.)

havent paid attention to stuff otside official ftb ultimate release much, so cant say anything about that. looks like just another nerf to me, which a care not about

 

[CrissHill]

Am i wrong or Greg nerfed it in the last update? For example, no more thermal generators.. (which i don't fucking like at all.. but.. blagh.)

I wish this was true, lava was way too easy of a route to take with the efficiency of the thermal generator. I cant see the change in the gregtech changelogs though. are you sure the item isnt just disabled on your server?

 

[wolfsilver00]

I wish this was true, lava was way too easy of a route to take with the efficiency of the thermal generator. I cant see the change in the gregtech changelogs though. are you sure the item isnt just disabled on your server?

I didn't played it, i readed (or heard it in DW20 videos) somewhere.

 

[Zjarek_S]

Recently a PR from Immibis was accepted into Buildcraft, which allows server owners to restrict what liquid can be pumped in which dimension. So you can disable pumping lava from nether.

 

[kenken244]

Just thought I would chime in again. The only mod that greg changes, (other than forestry bronze, which is an exploit, which sengir did not make a config for) is IC2. Gregtech is an ADDON to IC2. it is SUPPOSED to change IC2. that's kinda the point. and as people have said before, there are many other ways of getting a fire started for your nether portal. Remember that with mods, you can now easily make obsidian without having to get a diamond pick. So this change just pushes back getting a nether portal to where it was intended to be, since you have to find lava first.

 

[gattsuru]

Also, that large line of machines needed to make steel via gregtech also require glowstone.

You can actually mix glowstone from gold and redstone with GregTech, so it's possible to build an industrial blast furnace without Nether access, but it's both stupid and expensive compared to the lava-wood/wool option. Matches would help (and save chest space, since it's not like there's that much other use for a flint and steel), but I've just got fears that Greg will end up requiring sulfur for them, which isn't exactly easy to get without a Centrifuge anyway.

I didn't played it, i readed (or heard it in DW20 videos) somewhere.

Last version I downloaded a few days ago still have it available. There are reports of it being /broken/, but that's a a bug.

The only mod that greg changes... is IC2.

Directly, at least, and if we're ignoring other IC2 addons, like everything remotely related to solar panels.

... other than the forestry bronze, which is an exploit...

It's the bronze centrifuge recipe that allowed the exploit, which is a GregTech recipe. There's even an option to set that value down, instead of the forestry bronze recipe, which would have made more sense as the default anyway.

 

[Hyperme]

(other than forestry bronze, which is an exploit, which sengir did not make a config for)

Except Forestry, you know, actually uses Bronze in a large capacity unlike IC2 where you use it once to make a wrench. And the only exploit is caused by Gregtech. Yet another case of Greg going 'oh man let's nerf other people's stuff instead of actually making good design'. Greg thinks his way is always right, and communicates in a way that makes me... strongly dislike him.

Also, you can get to the Nether without Diamonds in Vanilla Minecraft. How out of touch from the base game are some of you people?

 

[shamanProgrammer]

In order to make a Mining Drill you need to either farm blazes and slimes, or magma slimes. Because you need steel for it and the only way to make steel is in a blast furnace...

How does that make sense? Steel is an Iron/Carbon Alloy, not some magical blaze-enhanced ingot. That's one of the few gripes I have about Gregtech.

 

[Loufmier]

Just thought I would chime in again. The only mod that greg changes, (other than forestry bronze, which is an exploit, which sengir did not make a config for) is IC2. Gregtech is an ADDON to IC2. it is SUPPOSED to change IC2.

i think i`d better not calling who i`m think you are, if you think that forestry`s bronze is an exploit... its intended recipe, because forestry has no machine to make it. it would be quite stupid in fact to make it, because there is no need to have machine to craft 1 alloy, that`s a key component for whole mod, which is designed to be on its own. its up to people how put mod pack together decide if they want certain recipes around or not, and alter their outcome to achieve balance inside pack, not a mod author that likes to plague other mods, so he`s mod wont look useless.
ic2 isnt the only mod that was affected, aside from forestry. even though ic2 would be the only mod affected, still isnt good, because addon supposed to add something own, not also change what was before it.

 

[Daemonblue]

You can actually mix glowstone from gold and redstone with GregTech, so it's possible to build an industrial blast furnace without Nether access, but it's both stupid and expensive compared to the lava-wood/wool option. Matches would help (and save chest space, since it's not like there's that much other use for a flint and steel), but I've just got fears that Greg will end up requiring sulfur for them, which isn't exactly easy to get without a Centrifuge anyway.

Oh I know about that recipe and chose to ignore it due to how expensive it is, as you have said. Convenience can only be so expensive before people resort to not nearly as costly inconvenient things. Also, I too have those same fears regarding the matches :X

In order to make a Mining Drill you need to either farm blazes and slimes, or magma slimes. Because you need steel for it and the only way to make steel is in a blast furnace...

How does that make sense? Steel is an Iron/Carbon Alloy, not some magical blaze-enhanced ingot. That's one of the few gripes I have about Gregtech.

Except needing the blast furnace for steel is vanilla railcraft, including the recipe that requires magma cream for the blast furnace blocks. How about you take a step back, put down the pitchfork, and read about other mods before blaming Gregtech on something because it's not realistic?

Edit: Also, that's only for the furnace bricks, you're still mixing coal with iron inside the furnace itself.

 

[gattsuru]

In order to make a Mining Drill you need to either farm blazes and slimes, or magma slimes. Because you need steel for it and the only way to make steel is in a blast furnace...

That's the RailCraft blast furnace and thus a Railcraft issue. The GregTech version requires a /boatload/ of iron, some nickel (and the terribly stupid cupronickel ring recipes means you almost always end up with a spare), energy, redstone, and two buckets of lava, but thankfully he doesn't really encourage mob farming until or unless you try for a fusion plant.

My BC Quarry and its Diamond Drill would like a word with you.

Good point, although BuildCraft is at least open-source.
EDIT: and another complaint -- the computercube. It's actually some really impressive in-game UI... which costs so many materials that it's only available long after you should have already been building nuclear plants. The very nuclear plants that the computer cube is important for simulating. Switching to a creative mode games gets around this limitation, but it's just a terrible design decision regardless.

 

[dgdas9]

Where are you ILGT, where are you?...

 

[Sengir]

(other than forestry bronze, which is an exploit, which sengir did not make a config for)

My config would like a word with you:

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# CRAFTING
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# set to false to disable crafting recipe for bronze
crafting.bronze.enabled=true