But wait! Do we look the same at all? Bees are bees, horses are horses, humans are not monkeys. Even you would say that. According to evolutionists, we are still Hominidae. But we are not monkeys, and therefore humans from monkeys is not a valid example pertaining to my original statement. Anyway, I don't want to get this thread deleted for Flame Wars.
Extra Bees Genetic Engineering Guide
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To play devil's advocate (heheheehehehehehehe--get it?), I'd like to point out to you the platypus.
Is it a beaver? Is it a duck? Nobody knows!
What about the Zorse? The mule? The Liger?
Is a seahorse a horse? A fish? At certain points, you can't tell the difference.
Okay, so 40% serious part below:
Unless you're implying that god made 1 type of bee, one type of horse, and one type of monkey, where did all the other ones come from?
Did they differentiate and evolve into different species? Because that's still evolution.
Did they stay the same? Well...obviously not.
I win!
we didn't evolve from a monkey, both humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor billions of years ago.
Ok. Zorse: Zebra and Horse are both Horsekind. Liger: Tiger and Lion are Feline.
By simply creating two different types of cat to breed, we can get all these different today. By simply creating two different types of bee, we can get all that we have today.
Demonstrated in Minecraft:
You can breed Meadows and Forest to get Common. From there you can breed most other bees. Sengir adding more hives simply means more bee species. Same with Binnie adding his.
By simply creating two different types of cat to breed, we can get all these different today. By simply creating two different types of bee, we can get all that we have today.
Demonstrated in Minecraft:
You can breed Meadows and Forest to get Common. From there you can breed most other bees. Sengir adding more hives simply means more bee species. Same with Binnie adding his.
with selective breeding (which doesn't happen so much with humans anymore as pretty much anyone can get laid) that is prevalent in the animal kingdom (only the strongest get to reproduce) the strongest traits of the species are passed on and mutate over thousands and thousands of years (many many more than 6000 I assure you) The species can diverge to create 1 or more different species, some of those die off, some carry on until you're left with a planet that has almost 10,000 different species of mammal. Lumping things together into "horsekind" and "feline" is horribly narrow minded. Yes, Zebra's, Horses, Donkeys, Mules etc all had a common ancestor, yes Lions, Tigers, Cheetahs, Leopards had a common ancestor, but just lumping them into a group like that is wrong. Plainly and demonstrably wrong. And it's the same as saying Chimps, Gorrilas, Apes, Baboons and Humans all had a common ancestor, also demonstrably and provably correct. We have the evidence, you lose.
Then read my evidence pages:
Evidence against Evolution:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers#/topic/evolution
Scroll down to the tab called "Claimed Evidence for Evolution" in the interactive box.
Read the "evidence" and our refutation.
Young Earth Evidence:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/young-age-evidence
Evidence against Evolution:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers#/topic/evolution
Scroll down to the tab called "Claimed Evidence for Evolution" in the interactive box.
Read the "evidence" and our refutation.
Young Earth Evidence:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/young-age-evidence
FAO everyone here:
I've already had all this out with whizzball1 in private chat, and while I believe myself to be a pretty smart guy, one cannot prove with logic someone who fails to recognise it. One cannot show evidence to someone who disregards the validity of evidence. So yeah, if you wanna have a go at whizz' ridiculous beliefs, go ahead, I'm staying out of it this time.
I've already had all this out with whizzball1 in private chat, and while I believe myself to be a pretty smart guy, one cannot prove with logic someone who fails to recognise it. One cannot show evidence to someone who disregards the validity of evidence. So yeah, if you wanna have a go at whizz' ridiculous beliefs, go ahead, I'm staying out of it this time.
I disregard the validity of your evidence because your evidence has no validity. Simply looking at the first thing I ask you to look at will show you my refutations. You blatantly refused to look at my evidence, so obviously you also disregard the validity of evidence.
Gotcha.
...alright, how about birds (because there's a distinct difference between RL and MC).
How are some of them so different they can't breed? Like the Galapagos island finches and what-not.
Rows of regular Buildcraft tanks just look better in a bee room than a railcraft or xycraft tank. IMO of course. It makes it more "lab-like" because they resemble graduated cylinders. Bees are cooler than cool.
Some may have completely opposite traits that will not breed with each other. There could also be some trait within them that doesn't like breeding with a trait from another.
Sengir never had a combo for Noble and Diligent. Binnie adding ancient is like "Breeding these together is so horrible that your bees travel back in time." Or something like that.
Yes, and that is what makes a new species. When an animal gets a trait that prevents it from interbreeding with other animals of like kind. Mutations happen in the genetic code. We know this is true. Evolution is the slow process of complementary mutations occuring in sequence to add up to a enough of a difference from the original animal that the "new" animal can't be considered the same as the "old" animal.
I'm sorry, but are the Finches still birds? If you say yes, then Jump's argument is invalid. Find another example, thank you.
The amount of anti-science makes me want to cry...
actually sometimes different species can still breed. Like polar bears breeding with grizzly bears. (scishow ftw <3 )
Well as a basic rule of thumb, if two species cannot breed, then they're not the same.
Of course, this is not true, but for your purposes, I'll try to make this as simple as possible.
So if there was one type of fish (trying again to make this as simple as possible), there could be two types, maybe if 100 fish were put into a cold place and 100 were put into a warmer place.
Then they come back a few years later, and *boom* they can't breed. Oh, but they're both fish.
But your generalizations annoy me and it brings shame to the Christian religion. You make us look like a bunch of crazies, and it makes every religion look like a bunch of crazies. What if we made your generalizations less specific? Are whales suddenly the same thing as bats?
Or more specific?
Are killer whales suddenly the same thing as blue whales? So what if they can't breed...they're whales and by that logic are the same thing.
Your argument would have been better if you just said God made all the millions of millions of species on whatever day he did.
Considering he made kinds, we don't know exactly how many he made. He could have made 50 types of birds, or 50 types of bears, or anything like that. He could have just as well made a million species on the first day of creation.
Whizz, I am also Christian, yet I do believe in evolution.
Science and christianism can work togheter.
Oddly enough, that's my own belief.
In fact, only the "Adam and Eve" part says that God created Earth.
So I always thought that God basically started the Big Bang in the conditions that created the Universe.
Also, it's a mistake to say that we evoluted from monkeys.
We both share an initial ancestral with thumbs, after all.
Science and christianism can work togheter.
Oddly enough, that's my own belief.
In fact, only the "Adam and Eve" part says that God created Earth.
So I always thought that God basically started the Big Bang in the conditions that created the Universe.
Also, it's a mistake to say that we evoluted from monkeys.
We both share an initial ancestral with thumbs, after all.