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Deftscythe

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...You do know me and @SatanicSanta are in the planning stages for a complex RF mod right? I have dropped the hints sooooo many times

So you've obviously changed your position from earlier in the thread that community hate is so undesirable that no one would make a complex RF mod, so why is this topic even still being discussed?
 

Strikingwolf

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So you've obviously changed your position from earlier in the thread that community hate is so undesirable that no one would make a complex RF mod, so why is this topic even still being discussed?
I haven't changed my standpoint, I still think it will be shit. But I am now willing to put up with it, at least if I have @SatanicSanta backing me. I said it would be to much for one modder not for two ;)

User numbers matter. Creative vision and desire to remain true to one's principles matter more.
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ShneekeyTheLost

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It really does. Unless you are one of the arguably few who would continue making mods even if they were not allowed to share them, usership does matter. Not so much in terms of concrete rewards, though those do exist, but also less tangible things like the satisfaction from realizing that you made something many people like or the fact you become aware of potential bugs and ideas more rapidly.
And you fear that there is so small a group of people that it won't be worth bothering with?

There's nine pages of discussion here that might disagree with that position. Also, checking the poll numbers, there's apparently plenty that would welcome such a mod.
 

buggirlexpres

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User numbers matter. Creative vision and desire to remain true to one's principles matter more.
This is very true. I've been told several times to make Running Red less dark or remove all the Technology mods from it. I could give in to what they want, or, I could stay true to my vision, and keep what I want to do with RR on the forefront. These words are some of the most true words I have ever read.
 

Strikingwolf

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So you've obviously changed your position from earlier in the thread that community hate is so undesirable that no one would make a complex RF mod, so why is this topic even still being discussed?

I haven't changed my standpoint, I still think it will be shit. But I am now willing to put up with it, at least if I have @SatanicSanta backing me. I said it would be to much for one modder not for two.
Because planning != a released mod.
So two completely separated arguments against yours.
 

Qazplm601

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my opinion on RF. (this is ignoring all post before this, and is just my opinion)

it is a nice API. it has nice mods. most of the mods are too easy for me, but to each their own. my problem with RF is that, as TE and others have begun using RF, (some of) the RF community has begun to expect all RF mods to be like them. that is why i think a complex RF mod would be hated.(by some) also, if you wanted to make your mod have "lossy" power in your cables(lossy machines would be pretty cool imo, and i don't see a problem with them) then you would need to have your machines not allow energy from non-lossy cables. i can just imagine the, well, shitstorm (XD) if (some)people discovered that you were not allowing them to use non-lossy cables with your mod. i agree, if you have a FC type attitude(not saying that is bad) then you will be able to withstand the hate, but many people cannot.

basically, RF is ok, but (some of) the community for it has grown into expectance that RF mods be non-lossy/easy/plug and play(examples) and would greatly dislike a mod that differs from their expectance.
 

Strikingwolf

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m8, unless you do something completely stupid, we always will.
Thanks means a lot
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and cut the mushy stuff :p
 
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Deftscythe

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So two completely separated arguments against yours.

Sorry, what argument am I making that these are refuting? All I've ever been saying in this thread is that RF's api can be used to create complex power systems and that potential community backlash is not a good reason to not use it for exactly that purpose. Obviously if you're considering making such a mod, you agree with me, so I don't see what's even being argued here anymore.
 

ShneekeyTheLost

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my opinion on RF. (this is ignoring all post before this, and is just my opinion)

it is a nice API. it has nice mods. most of the mods are too easy for me, but to each their own. my problem with RF is that, as TE and others have begun using RF, (some of) the RF community has begun to expect all RF mods to be like them. that is why i think a complex RF mod would be hated.(by some) also, if you wanted to make your mod have "lossy" power in your cables(lossy machines would be pretty cool imo, and i don't see a problem with them) then you would need to have your machines not allow energy from non-lossy cables. i can just imagine the, well, shitstorm (XD) if (some)people discovered that you were not allowing them to use non-lossy cables with your mod. i agree, if you have a FC type attitude(not saying that is bad) then you will be able to withstand the hate, but many people cannot.

basically, RF is ok, but (some of) the community for it has grown into expectance that RF mods be non-lossy/easy/plug and play(examples) and would greatly dislike a mod that differs from their expectance.
This is why I think a complex RF mod is *NEEDED*. Because people need to understand that an API is just the foundation, that it has incredible flexibility. People need a wakeup call. I don't think the uproar is going to be as bad as predicted.

I don't think there needs to be a way to prevent someone from hooking up simpler systems. That's imposing your idea of what 'should be' on someone else. Big mistake. That's the cardinal sin that GregoriousT has committed. Let it be on an honor system.
 

Strikingwolf

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my opinion on RF. (this is ignoring all post before this, and is just my opinion)

it is a nice API. it has nice mods. most of the mods are too easy for me, but to each their own. my problem with RF is that, as TE and others have begun using RF, (some of) the RF community has begun to expect all RF mods to be like them. that is why i think a complex RF mod would be hated.(by some) also, if you wanted to make your mod have "lossy" power in your cables(lossy machines would be pretty cool imo, and i don't see a problem with them) then you would need to have your machines not allow energy from non-lossy cables. i can just imagine the, well, shitstorm (XD) if (some)people discovered that you were not allowing them to use non-lossy cables with your mod. i agree, if you have a FC type attitude(not saying that is bad) then you will be able to withstand the hate, but many people cannot.

basically, RF is ok, but (some of) the community for it has grown into expectance that RF mods be non-lossy/easy/plug and play(examples) and would greatly dislike a mod that differs from their expectance.
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Padfoote

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Sorry, what argument am I making that these are refuting? All I've ever been saying in this thread is that RF's api can be used to create complex power systems and that potential community backlash is not a good reason to not use it for exactly that purpose. Obviously if you're considering making such a mod, you agree with me, so I don't see what's even being argued here anymore.

Again:
Because planning != a released mod.
 

Strikingwolf

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I don't think there needs to be a way to prevent someone from hooking up simpler systems. That's imposing your idea of what 'should be' on someone else. Big mistake. That's the cardinal sin that GregoriousT has committed. Let it be on an honor system.
I don't consider it a sin...he stood his ground, and I respect that. Even if I don't like it
 
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