I think you need to go take a chill pill mate. Im not ranting Im looking for opinions. You however appear to have a bee in your bonnet and like to rant.
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[1.7.10] Regrowth - A WIP HQM pack - Now Listed!
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Opinion, for the most part, is that the mod is designed to have you follow certain progression lines. It certainly does take a bit of work in witchery to get that greatwood tree, and you might decide that when you're done you're just going to drop witchery and never look back. My experience was that being forced to work through witchery really opened my eyes to parts of the mod I hadn't seen before, and I'm certainly making much more use of it now than I had expected to when I started this pack.
edit: Witchery is far and away the most efficient mod here to change a biome
I put together @jaquadro's notes and added to the FAQ. Is the vertical range of the altar also 16/32?
Edit: Full text below, check my accuracy.
[9.1] How do I get more power to my altar?
The altar draws power from a range of 16 blocks. It can distribute power to items that are within 16 blocks, or 32 blocks if an Arcana is placed on the altar.
From the Witchery website, the following may be put onto the altar to increase the maximum power and recharging rate (only one of each type of skull or chalice will count):
Boosting maximum power
- Skull + 1x base power
- Wither Skull + 2x base power
- Chalice + 1x base power
- Filled Chalice + 1x base power
Boosting recharge rate
- Skull + 1x base recharge rate
- Wither Skull + 2x base recharge rate
- Torch + 1x base recharge rate
- Candelabra + 2x base recharge rate
- Pentacle 2x recharge rate
jaquadro said:
Almost any tree leaf/log (mod or vanilla or otherwise) will work, but it will cap around 100 block instances or so. So you might get a big boost from planting an oak tree, but get no additional benefit for planting a second one. Planting a spruce tree wouldn't help either, since it's the same block. But planting an Acacia would, because it's a different block. Knowing your plants at a technical level will help you manage caps.
Based on some of the mods in this pack, consider how the trees alone fall into groups:
- Vanilla: Oak, Spruce, Birch, Jungle
- Vanilla: Acacia, Dark Oak
- Witchery: Rowan, Alder, Hawthorn
- EBXL: Fir, Redwood, Acacia, Cypress
- EBXL: Bald Cypress, Japanese Maple, Japanese Maple Shrub, Rainbow Eucalyptus
- EBXL: Umber Autumn, Goldenrod Autumn, Vermillion Autumn, Citrine Autumn
- Thaumcraft: Greatwood, Silverwood
- Natura: Eucalyptus, Redwood, Hopseed
- Natura: Sakura, Ghostwood, Bloodleaves, Willow
- Natura: Darkwood, Fusewood
- Natura: Maple, Silverbell, Amaranth, Tiger
Vanilla and Witchery plants are all well-supported, but have similar cap and block restraints. Almost all vanilla flowers, for example, are the same block.
Third-party mod plants are generally not supported. Botania mystic flowers are an exception and will work in this pack. Most crops work, outside of Agricraft.
The caps and point values aren't uniform. Points typically fall into the range of 1-4, but if you've got your altar up to the max multiplier (4x), that's 4-16 per block. It adds up quickly.
The altar draws power from a range of 16 blocks. It can distribute power to items that are within 16 blocks, or 32 blocks if an Arcana is placed on the altar.
From the Witchery website, the following may be put onto the altar to increase the maximum power and recharging rate (only one of each type of skull or chalice will count):
Boosting maximum power
- Skull + 1x base power
- Wither Skull + 2x base power
- Chalice + 1x base power
- Filled Chalice + 1x base power
Boosting recharge rate
- Skull + 1x base recharge rate
- Wither Skull + 2x base recharge rate
- Torch + 1x base recharge rate
- Candelabra + 2x base recharge rate
- Pentacle 2x recharge rate
jaquadro said:
Almost any tree leaf/log (mod or vanilla or otherwise) will work, but it will cap around 100 block instances or so. So you might get a big boost from planting an oak tree, but get no additional benefit for planting a second one. Planting a spruce tree wouldn't help either, since it's the same block. But planting an Acacia would, because it's a different block. Knowing your plants at a technical level will help you manage caps.
Based on some of the mods in this pack, consider how the trees alone fall into groups:
- Vanilla: Oak, Spruce, Birch, Jungle
- Vanilla: Acacia, Dark Oak
- Witchery: Rowan, Alder, Hawthorn
- EBXL: Fir, Redwood, Acacia, Cypress
- EBXL: Bald Cypress, Japanese Maple, Japanese Maple Shrub, Rainbow Eucalyptus
- EBXL: Umber Autumn, Goldenrod Autumn, Vermillion Autumn, Citrine Autumn
- Thaumcraft: Greatwood, Silverwood
- Natura: Eucalyptus, Redwood, Hopseed
- Natura: Sakura, Ghostwood, Bloodleaves, Willow
- Natura: Darkwood, Fusewood
- Natura: Maple, Silverbell, Amaranth, Tiger
Vanilla and Witchery plants are all well-supported, but have similar cap and block restraints. Almost all vanilla flowers, for example, are the same block.
Third-party mod plants are generally not supported. Botania mystic flowers are an exception and will work in this pack. Most crops work, outside of Agricraft.
The caps and point values aren't uniform. Points typically fall into the range of 1-4, but if you've got your altar up to the max multiplier (4x), that's 4-16 per block. It adds up quickly.
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I raised that issue just a few pages ago, but then the cringeworthy yes-man brigade descended upon me to correct the injustice and started to accuse me of trolling. God forbid we post a suggestion that could *gag* improve the gameplay of the pack.
Technically though, you don't need a lot of witchery for it. A 3000 altar I think, a cauldron and a distillery. If you don't care about getting the most out of witchery and enjoying it, you can build that in a few minutes.
If Im honest Id probably like to see more linking to thaumcraft and witchery. My point was if its only to make a table then whats the point. Say if the poppets where somehow linked to making golems or aspects used in witchery to really tie the 2 mods together it would make more sense but just to go down the witchery route to start the thaumcraft route,why?Opinion, for the most part, is that the mod is designed to have you follow certain progression lines. It certainly does take a bit of work in witchery to get that greatwood tree, and you might decide that when you're done you're just going to drop witchery and never look back. My experience was that being forced to work through witchery really opened my eyes to parts of the mod I hadn't seen before, and I'm certainly making much more use of it now than I had expected to when I started this pack.
edit: Witchery is far and away the most efficient mod here to change a biome
Okay... anyone can tell me how to power a growth accelerator from AE2? ME cable - fluix won't connect, Mekanism cable won't connect, BC kinesis pipe won't connect. I'm losing my will to live :x
Also: Tried on all sides. Website says top/bottom accept power. but for some reason I can't make it work. Halp :<
Also: Tried on all sides. Website says top/bottom accept power. but for some reason I can't make it work. Halp :<
I try to rationalize the process in my mind with some head-canon.
I'll skip past the whole world is desolated bit, and skip straight to...
Re-creating most mundane varieties of trees is simple, be it Oak, Spruce, or even Eucalyptus. However, a few varieties require a bit more than a little mana or mutandis to be made. Thus, for Greatwood (and further, silverwood) you require the seed of a sentient and magic plant, in order to infuse a sapling with magical power.
Further, you can assume that research and crafting in Thaumcraft require such a magical wood for their tables, given your experience with the inefficiency of an Iron Capped Wooden Wand. Though I would assume that in that case you should be able to make a table out of Silverwood as well.
I suppose my point is that, instead of becoming frustrated with the way things are (when it's clearly intentional), try to put yourself a bit more into the story of the pack and make it make sense to you.
Okay.... I guess I had trouble Identifying which side is the top >_>
*embarassed*
I must check but Im pretty sure I have all the saplings from making mutandis. Its not that I dont use aspects of witchery. My point as I still cant make the research table because I havent gone far enough into witchery.
Lol after going through stacks and stacks of mutandis for a glint flower to progress witchery I get snowball seeds as a reward that I made from seeds ages ago. Yeah doesnt seem to link right at all.
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My whole problem with witchery stems from mutandis. Yes its great for making all the trees, yes its great for making all the flowers BUT its very slow at progressing witchery unless you are very fortunate in getting the witchery flowers. I need more spanish moss now so another boat load of mutandis and luck needed to get it
Lol after going through stacks and stacks of mutandis for a glint flower to progress witchery I get snowball seeds as a reward that I made from seeds ages ago. Yeah doesnt seem to link right at all.
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My whole problem with witchery stems from mutandis. Yes its great for making all the trees, yes its great for making all the flowers BUT its very slow at progressing witchery unless you are very fortunate in getting the witchery flowers. I need more spanish moss now so another boat load of mutandis and luck needed to get it
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I tamed some ocelots last night without an issue using a neon tetra. Are you waiting for them to come to you?I'm just gonna post this one again, since I think it may have been lost in the shuffle at some point, but you cannot currently tame ocelots with any kind of fish available in game (living or not, mariculture version of vanilla fish or not), as far as I can tell. I wouldn't mind this, but I kinda wanted a cat familiar so I wouldn't need to do mutating before I could change biomes (seems coven witches only respond to familiars, despite the sheer number of different opinions online on this).
Just curious if this is an intended thing or not.
You can grow Spanish moss on trees once you get your first piece.
I actually used Spanish moss to coat the entire inside of the wall surrounding my base. Really helped to take my mind off the desolate landscape.
Thanks! I was up all night with my newborn baby so I didn't get to implement any of these suggestions but I can't wait to give them a try
Thanks!