This is pretty much part of the average makeup of a decent wolfteam as far as I've determined so far. A paired team is rare enough as it is, and one without tends to be an easy town win.
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Werewolves the matrix. [Game Thread][Championship Practice]
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Yeah there's a lot of MU stuff which seems to be more about the purity and challenge rather than simply fun.
Yay, work day done.
My reads for yesterday:
Nojr: Scum. Lynch him, he's participating even less than usual. This tells me he's got a wolf team that he doesn't want to screw over.
Corpse Cat: Neutral. May be taking advantage of quiet people to hide, but I dunno how much he normally contributes.
Erindalc: Town. He had weak-ass reasoning on Fred, but he stood by it. I also gave him a nod for a bit of a counter-concensus comment on corpsecat.
Goreae: Neutral, slight scum. He's really fence-sitting, and he made speeches that were mostly meta and filler.
Lethosos: I actually kinda like Leth. He stayed his ground on Fred instead of distancing. And wolf!leth wouldn't push top-town-vike as a wolf.
RealKC: Fence-sitting but slightly town. I guess.
Robij: Slight town. Liked his analysis of Leth and SO37 even when I didn't really agree with it. Liked his blatant suspicion on SO37.
Shazam: Neutral. Not sure what I thought of him easing off Fred. He was one of the first to suggest it (after fowltief).
SO37: Town. I think wolf!SO would have distanced himself from Fred, and I don't think wolf!SO would have dropped an N0 peek on anyone at all.
The_J: Lynch his ass for the same reason as Nojr. The_J is a way more vocal player than this, and I don't care what his RL agenda is. He's keeping quiet because he knows he gets himself into trouble sometimes and there's more on the line. His only saving grace is the n0 peek from Vike, and I don't think wolf!vike would townpeek a wolf. (???)
Victini: Super town.
Vikestep: Scum. I didn't like him calling me out on my fake reads. He knows me. I read mudflinging. I didn't like his hyper-aggressive stance on Fred. I found his "like" list way too trusting for town!vike. I didn't like his big distancing from fred after the earlier aggression. Top-wolf.
Zexy: Neutral. Sorta-scum maybe. Really don't like his "people who know him think he's wolf" on Fred, this seems deliberately distancing. Didn't like him dropping so many hints about trusting vike, but again, I don't think wolf!zexy would publicly uber trust another wolf, so saving grace.
##Vote Vikestep.
My reads for yesterday:
Nojr: Scum. Lynch him, he's participating even less than usual. This tells me he's got a wolf team that he doesn't want to screw over.
Corpse Cat: Neutral. May be taking advantage of quiet people to hide, but I dunno how much he normally contributes.
Erindalc: Town. He had weak-ass reasoning on Fred, but he stood by it. I also gave him a nod for a bit of a counter-concensus comment on corpsecat.
Goreae: Neutral, slight scum. He's really fence-sitting, and he made speeches that were mostly meta and filler.
Lethosos: I actually kinda like Leth. He stayed his ground on Fred instead of distancing. And wolf!leth wouldn't push top-town-vike as a wolf.
RealKC: Fence-sitting but slightly town. I guess.
Robij: Slight town. Liked his analysis of Leth and SO37 even when I didn't really agree with it. Liked his blatant suspicion on SO37.
Shazam: Neutral. Not sure what I thought of him easing off Fred. He was one of the first to suggest it (after fowltief).
SO37: Town. I think wolf!SO would have distanced himself from Fred, and I don't think wolf!SO would have dropped an N0 peek on anyone at all.
The_J: Lynch his ass for the same reason as Nojr. The_J is a way more vocal player than this, and I don't care what his RL agenda is. He's keeping quiet because he knows he gets himself into trouble sometimes and there's more on the line. His only saving grace is the n0 peek from Vike, and I don't think wolf!vike would townpeek a wolf. (???)
Victini: Super town.
Vikestep: Scum. I didn't like him calling me out on my fake reads. He knows me. I read mudflinging. I didn't like his hyper-aggressive stance on Fred. I found his "like" list way too trusting for town!vike. I didn't like his big distancing from fred after the earlier aggression. Top-wolf.
Zexy: Neutral. Sorta-scum maybe. Really don't like his "people who know him think he's wolf" on Fred, this seems deliberately distancing. Didn't like him dropping so many hints about trusting vike, but again, I don't think wolf!zexy would publicly uber trust another wolf, so saving grace.
##Vote Vikestep.
Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing but it doesn't really matter.
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o.o Missed that then, unvoteVoting isn't mandatory here, Noj. There's no reason to antismite.
Do you not think that my approach on Fred was a logical one? My train of thought:
1. I see Fred is doing something that I found oddly uncharacteristic and pick him up on it. Yes, you guys thought it was characteristic of his previous game, however I didn't really get to see that side and I have a different meta on him because of our games on Mafia Universe.
2. I then get told that he was acting the same way in his previous game, which I read and I do agree this is the case.
3. I then decide that my argument against him holds no merit and I no longer have him as a scum read. HOWEVER, I will say that I don't think he has particularly cleared himself and that while my previous reasoning is gone, I don't have him as town. Just neutral.
Which reads in particular do you think are too trusting for me as town?
Now, I'm going to vote the exact same person I said I would last night
##Vote Lethosos
The big clincher for me is actually when you claim that at least some wolves are gonna be on that train. I have a funny feeling most or all wolves connected to that train kindly disengaged themselves from it, and that little seed of yours is supposed to engender some mislynches.
Trusting me in particular is way, way too trusting for you as town.
I'll pretend you really didn't notice that Fred was revealed as town in the recap.
Trusting me in particular is way, way too trusting for you as town.
I'll pretend you really didn't notice that Fred was revealed as town in the recap.
In preparation for the MU game, I am trying to get more clear reads of town members. That is why I gave a clear read off the bat on you. It shows my thought process and the way I am interpreting your posts from now on. I am just being transparent is all.
Can I ask you to defend your argument against Lethosos? It seems circular.
You're saying, and call me if I'm strawmanning: "Lethosos and Frederikam were the two main wagons yesterday. If Lethosos is mafia, his teammates voted for Fred to save him. Therefore, Leth is mafia." It's only valid if we're already assuming Leth's guilt.
My reason for voting Leth is that I think there is a high likelihood that Leth is mafia and that he was saved. I then went on to say that if leth is lynched today, then we can look at his role and identify some further roles. If leth flips mafia then we will see those voting fred in a scummy light. If leth flips town then the wolves may not necessarily be voting fred at all (although they still might).
Honestly? not really too interested in this game. So I'm saying stuff when I feel like it mostly. Oh, and by the way, the guy who tried to paint wolves as inactive was me during the lawyer game.
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Zexy
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I doubt mafia really decided to not put any kills in. There may exist a Bulletproof, Doctor or Jailkeeper.
If you had actually looked at the matrix with possible setups, you wouldn't exclude Bulletproof and Doctor... unless you just happen to be scum and can deduce which setup we are playing based on the roles the scum team has.
What is antismite?
For now I will
##VOTE: Robjinvogel
because of the reasons explained above. I can move to Leth if this case doesn't gain enough ground, though.
edit: edited out an image in a quote and reposted because its link made my post require mod approval
WOLF ALERT! WOLF ALERT!
If you had actually looked at the matrix with possible setups, you wouldn't exclude Bulletproof and Doctor... unless you just happen to be scum and can deduce which setup we are playing based on the roles the scum team has.
What is antismite?
I actually said that if I am cop, Vike was my n0 peek, you know... while I like you and most of your reads and think you are town, I can't help but disagree on Vike.
Anyone else with thoughts on that? I don't really like these kinds of posts. Small, accuse a kinda random player.
For now I will
##VOTE: Robjinvogel
because of the reasons explained above. I can move to Leth if this case doesn't gain enough ground, though.
edit: edited out an image in a quote and reposted because its link made my post require mod approval
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Zexy
Guest
I doubt mafia really decided to not put any kills in. There may exist a Bulletproof, Doctor or Jailkeeper.
If you had actually looked at the matrix with possible setups, you wouldn't exclude Bulletproof and Doctor... unless you just happen to be scum and can deduce which setup we are playing based on the roles the scum team has.
What is antismite?
For now I will
##VOTE: Robjinvogel
because of the reasons explained above. I can move to Leth if this case doesn't gain enough ground, though.
edit: edited out an image in a quote and reposted because its link made my post require mod approval
WOLF ALERT! WOLF ALERT!
If you had actually looked at the matrix with possible setups, you wouldn't exclude Bulletproof and Doctor... unless you just happen to be scum and can deduce which setup we are playing based on the roles the scum team has.
What is antismite?
I actually said that if I am cop, Vike was my n0 peek, you know... while I like you and most of your reads and think you are town, I can't help but disagree on Vike.
Anyone else with thoughts on that? I don't really like these kinds of posts. Small, accuse a kinda random player.
For now I will
##VOTE: Robjinvogel
because of the reasons explained above. I can move to Leth if this case doesn't gain enough ground, though.
edit: edited out an image in a quote and reposted because its link made my post require mod approval