Well bully to them. If you want deinstall RP2 and install them. Nothing is stopping you from doing so.
Redpower 2 future in FTB?
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I wholeheartedly agree with you that it should be in a separate mod. I understand the necessity of a mod being able to generate the ores it needs, but it's a bit of a bummer that FTB relies on TE for ore generation. That role would be much better suited by a good, dedicated mod. I advocate Metallurgy for this, since it's 1.5.1 ready, open source, open license and very flexible. But I hold you as a developer in more esteem and can't help but think you'd make a technically better solution!
But I don't want to do that. That's not the point. The point is RP2 will be holding the mod pack if it's kept. It if it's replaced with more capable mods then I think overall FTB will become a better mod pack. I also think it will help Elooram figure out that, if she doesn't update, her mod will get dropped. Regardless of the quality, mods can't be kept if they don't update.
And that's not really a good thing, with how fast minecraft updates these days. If we didn't get main application updates every few months it might work out, but as it stands, she's got a real life a real job and other things that are going to eat up her time. Which means less time for a single developer to update and fix a single mod that is as big if not bigger than the next 2 or 3 major mods, over multiple devs working on 4+ mods that do the same thing. If she doesn't open it up at least some, she's going to shoe horn herself out of a market share, simply because of lack of available time. And while I wouldn't necessarily be pleased to see RP2 go, it would be nice to not be stuck on an older version simply because of a single mod. All of this; however, could be alleviated with just a bit more community involvement.
So then use MultiMC. Problem solved. Why punish the rest of us because Elo is lagging behind everyone else? This is a case of putting all your eggs in one basket and getting screwed over it. Elo has a bad reputation for taking months to update her mod. On top of that, it's closed source. This means if she doesn't update, we're all screwed. I'm not okay with that option. It's also why I don't use many things that RP gives us.
I think the FTB team should have a new rule for mod submissions - you are given a reasonable time period to update your mod. If you cannot meet this deadline, your mod will be dropped. If you have an open source mod, it's not a big deal. But if you have a closed source mod, then you would be required to change that to open source or it won't be included.
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned - it's as much of a privilege to be included in FTB as it is to have mod authors give permission. Being a part of FTB gives a lot of exposure to the author. There is a certain responsibility that comes with that. Or at least I feel it should.
Lets play what if:
What if her mod is dropped And she still doesn't update. Heck it might even be more freeing for her since she no longer has to worry about rabid players whom are jonesing for updates every time Mojang puts out another. If I was her then I would be elated. I could work on my mod, in my own time, output things on my own, even say no more modpacks and be happy. Win win right?
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Or how about people learn to install mods themselves. Take a little time to learn your own computer and system. Maybe the entitled attitude of "ME WANT NAO!!" would stop? Maybe some would see that Mojang's pumping out of updates is both good and bad. Or maybe people will move onto another game and let well enough alone?
What if her mod is dropped And she still doesn't update. Heck it might even be more freeing for her since she no longer has to worry about rabid players whom are jonesing for updates every time Mojang puts out another. If I was her then I would be elated. I could work on my mod, in my own time, output things on my own, even say no more modpacks and be happy. Win win right?
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Or how about people learn to install mods themselves. Take a little time to learn your own computer and system. Maybe the entitled attitude of "ME WANT NAO!!" would stop? Maybe some would see that Mojang's pumping out of updates is both good and bad. Or maybe people will move onto another game and let well enough alone?
Because I've already built 2 large buildings out of marble and one out of basalt. My world would look funny if they just disappeared leaving all the stuff floating in the air.
I'm already planning on replacing my sorting system with AE. That would also eliminate a lot of the tubes. Project tables would also be missed, but there are other options even if they aren't as good.
Yep, others would step up and replace whatever was lost. Most likely all in separate mods themselves, so we wouldn't have to wait on volcano's because frames can't move an ender chest. They would be updated faster, less prone to bugs (more eyes), and would be open to far more inter-compatibility than is currently available.
Metallurgy is a great concept, but seeing that their ores still don't work in TE machines, despite having the API for a looong time, ehh.
The authors are great though - check out Atum from the Modjam competition, it's a brilliant mod.I'm not going to pretend to speak for FTB here, but as a general point, the FTB team goes out of their way to work with modders and get permission, and they do not dictate terms.
As far as the open source thing goes, please don't be absurd. There are valid reasons to be closed source. As a modder, I will agree that if you plan on leaving the community, you should either leave your mod in capable hands or open it up, but the notion that actively developed mods need to be open "just incase" is ludicrous.
I'm not sure what you mean. If FTB drops her she is probably screwed. I doubt many other mod packs would agree to include her considering her past. Yes, she could be a stand alone mod, but she still wouldn't update as often as the other mod packs. And like the other people already stated, it is a privilege to be a part of FTB. If she can't appreciate that privilege by just giving a "hello i'm not dead" then she doesn't deserve the privilege to be apart of it. The least she could do is make her mod an open source or give it to a friend so we can enjoy MC updates and she can have a life.
That kind of defeats the purpose of having FTB at all. The launcher makes it easy to add and remove mods, but you still need a base pack to do so. If the average person was capable of installing Forge, installing the mods they want, resolving conflict ID's, changing configs, etc, then there would be no FTB at all.
Even as a Open Source supporter I agree.
Metallurgy is a great concept, but seeing that their ores still don't work in TE machines, despite having the API for a looong time, ehh.
I'm not going to pretend to speak for FTB here, but as a general point, the FTB team goes out of their way to work with modders and get permission, and they do not dictate terms.
As far as the open source thing goes, please don't be absurd. There are valid reasons to be closed source. As a modder, I will agree that if you plan on leaving the community, you should either leave your mod in capable hands or open it up, but the notion that actively developed mods need to be open "just incase" is ludicrous.
No, no, that's not what I meant about open source. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant that if you plan on leaving the community, then open up the source to your mod. I didn't mean to imply that the mod must be open source. That's why I said "if" your mod is closed source. Agreed there are plenty of reasons to keep it closed.
Simo is a great example - his SPC mod was closed source. After 1.3 broke everything, he got tired of having to retool everything from scratch. So what did he do? He made it open source and said, have a nice day. He still "kinda" works on it, but q3hardcore has done more with it lately.
I think that's the model approach.
Well then maybe people need to learn to do things on their own *Gasp* what a foreign concept. I admit it would take me a bit to relearn how to do so but I am willing to give it a go. Humans these days. *shakes head*
Retro, it's already been stated that if everybody had that attitude then FTB wouldn't exist. That's what FTB is for. For people who aren't interested in computers but wanna play modded minecraft. Please move onto your next argument. This one has already been discussed.
One really good reason to hold off is respect for the mod devs...all of them, not just the ones doing what you want...which was apparently one of the core values behind FTB to begin with. I shouldn't need to explain more than that. If I do, you wouldn't understand anyway.
That's like saying, oh this mod has a bug in it, don't like it? It's open source, code a fix yourself.
That's fine if you're in a community of developers saying that, but the average "customer" should not be expected to do that.
And again - what is the point of FTB at all, then?
Not even close to finishing the solar panels, but it's a WIP. Fast quarries making for abundant nikolite when they get to the lower levels, but I just relocated my quarry so it'll be a while before I see more.
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