While it is within the rights of the people over at resonant rise to not provide any support, they based their argument on a lie about crash code that never even existed, and that makes whatever argument they make completely invalid.
On the other hand,
@Reika has a good reason as to why he does not support mine-/modtweaker. That reason being that, if someone changed something minor in the mods early/mid-game then you might make the rest of the mod inaccessible, because of his strict progression internally in his mods.
No. That doesn't make their refusal to support it invalid. You may not like their reason, but they are
well within their rights to not support his mods. Noone is required to support
any mod not in their pack.
PERIOD. Just like no modmaker is
required to support cross-mod interaction.
Because of the way they are designed, Reika´s mods requires you to have them centralized, because of their very strict progression, That is more like a learning curve than a “the more resources you get, the more you can do” progression curve. So the “good modpack authors” are not gonna touch reika´s mods unless decide to make a mod fully based around his mods.
Yes. And so many other mods have centralized progression as well. Some others have strict progression too. Yes, ones with a learning curve and not being world-resource bound. Reika's mods are not that special and unique. Sorry.
And good modpack authors *could* integrate multiple mods together to keep a strong progression, even if it's not centered around Reika's. Or could if allowed. Instead it's RotaryCraft as the core or else. A bit of hubris, there, to say that one mod has more of a right to it's choice of progression than another. But hey, that's just my opinion.
Agreed, but if said modpack maker justifies it on a lie, their reasoning falls apart, and they lose all legitimacy
No. No legitimacy is lost. They haven't lost the legitimacy to not support another mod. The right to not support a mod does
not require moral high ground or
anything else. It's their right to not support
any mod not in their pack for
any reason. Period. They only lost legitimacy in
themselves for their lies.
Again reika has legitimate reason to do so, RR does not.
Again, 'legitimacy' doesn't matter when it comes to not supporting a mod. Hell, a reason doesn't even need to be
given to not support a mod. Reika could say that he doesn't support a mod because of purple space aliens from Europa and I'd have no right to tell him he's wrong for not supporting said mod. I might think he's *crazy*, but that has nothing to do with supporting the mod or not.
The only reason for needing to support a mod is if you include cross-mod compatibility yourself, such as including their APIs and stuff, or if your mod is derivative of theirs and relies on it. Or, for a modmaker, if it's in your pack. If it's not, then you're not required to support it.
You twisted his words by leaving out some important information about the fact that reika actually had a reason as to why he doesn’t support players using mod/minetweaker. Unlike the people at RR who don’t actually have a reason to not support Reika’s mods, that is legitimate.
I've acknowledged that argument of his ... and I disagree with it strongly. I don't think one should punish everyone for the actions of some.
BUT. That doesn't mean that he's not within his rights to not support it. Again, 'legitimacy' doesn't matter when it comes to saying you're not going to support a mod.
That is what I'm trying to say.
Why wouldn’t the moral ground matter?
What you are saying is that no matter how stupid/offensive reasons someone might come up with it, it´s valid, because the moral ground of the reason does not matter. I have to be honest but that is an invalid and borderline stupid argument.
Because you're mixing the morals of their personal actions with their right to not have to support a mod that's not in their pack. Yes, they lost moral ground by lying.
BUT. That doesn't mean they lost the right to not support Reika's mods. Those two things are *not* linked.
When it comes to supporting another mod, yes. Again, I still think they lost moral ground. I just don't believe that their moral standing has
anything to do with needing to support a mod
that's not in their pack. Seriously. How many times to I need to say this?
I feel like I can say the same to all of your posts about this subject.
Yes, my stance says that Reika is well within his rights to not support ModTweaker, something I wish he would do. Thank you for finally noticing.
You are clearly ignoring the crux of I all since refuse to realise that you are defending a lie that you even know is a lie yourself
What you are saying is that it doesn’t matter whether or not there reasoning is based on a lie it doesn’t matter, because its all a valid reason anyway.
No. I'm not supporting their lie. I never have. If you check my first post on this issue, I did say that I disagreed with their lie and didn't condone it. I just know that that doesn't suddenly mean that they
must support Reika's mods. Those two things are *not* related.
Ok, you have a point, but the reasoning behind the disallowance of using mine/modtweaker to tweak Reika’s mods is that his mods have a very delicate progression that breaks whenever you try a change just the slightest bit of it.
They do. But it's easy to grok if one cares to look. I could easily make it play nice with another mod without breaking the order of progression or un-gating it entirely. It just requires tweaking both mods to progress in tandem. Child's play for one with a brain. It's something I'd
love to do when I shift from a magic-based pack to a tech-based pack. But it's one I
can't do due to policies. So I'll probably go with GregTech instead as it's more amenable to the needs of modpack creators.
Yeah some people are, the thing is again that one accidental oversight in your changes and you cant use the mod at all.
A good modpack maintainer would fix that shit. A great one wouldn't have broken it in the first place.
RR hasn´t mentioned any practical reasons, behind what they are doing when they aren´t supporting reikas mods.
I don't think that that matters. Their modpack. They decide what they support. Just as with Reika's support of ModTweaker. His mod. He decides what he supports. Those two things are equivalent. 'Legitimacy' doesn't matter. The legitimacy is granted by
them being the creator of their mod/modpack.
Reika had his mods wellbeing in mind when he decided to disallow the use of mod/minetweaker for them.
I fully agree. Reika is very protective of his mod and looks out for it. It's just a shame that that procludes good integration into modpacks unless Reika adds the options one desires in his own configs.
