oh man. the ic2 gregtech forum is a total mess. people calling idiots and retards each other. Jesus.
I wonder what next weeks episode of GregTech, the soap opera will bring?
It wasn't too different from what was going here, though after alblaka as good as abandoned IC2 moderating there has been somewhat worse.oh man. the ic2 gregtech forum is a total mess. people calling idiots and retards each other. Jesus.
It is ok that Greg crashed game intentionally
that appears to be the norm there, one reason I would not reg there, ridiculed & insulted is not my idea of a fun afternoon.oh man. the ic2 gregtech forum is a total mess. people calling idiots and retards each other. Jesus.
This is my opinion and as such does NOT represent the views of FTB.
Erm damn keep you pie recipe, backs slowly away from Jaded.[DOUBLEPOST=1374158579][/DOUBLEPOST]Its rare for me to post a opinion on controversial topics.. or really any topic. I am not posting as a moderator or as FTB Staff in this post.
I am posting as a third-party modpack creator.
I would have been a bit grumpy at mDiyo for the exploit with auto-smelting. Then again as anyone with experience with my pack knows, I know how to use a config and fix minor exploits like that. I still would have growled a bit but meh.
I can certainly not be accused of not knowing how to operate a config file or files. I also cannot be accused of wanting an easy game.
All that said. Under no circumstances ever would I allow a mod that thought this was sufficient reason to crash a game to be in a pack I created. And yes I am aware of all previous ancient history with other mods that have made adverse changes for the end user. However I have yet to see another mod decide that changing a recipe in that mod was grounds to crash the client. mDiyo changed a recipe in GregTech. Greg crashed the client because there was a recipe change he didn't like. This would be similar to me giving someone a pie recipe and them changing an ingredient, and me then shooting the person that ate the pie. Its not DRM its not justifiable under any license or modder code of conduct. He crashed clients because he didn't like a recipe change. I find this reprehensible and unjustifiable.
This is my opinion and as such does NOT represent the views of FTB.
sorry you lost me after It.It should. It's the only opinion that makes any sense whatsoever. And if FTB has a different opinion than yours, then it's my opinion that their opinion is wrong.
Anything outside of discussing this issue is irrelevant.It really isn't even about conflicting issues with mods and mod authors. It is about the crash.
This is the line too far.
Untli relatively recently only way to fix the exploit was to disable storage block smelting on GT side. Luckily mDyio did added a config option on his side as well later down the line and after lots of drama.Then again as anyone with experience with my pack knows, I know how to use a config and fix minor exploits like that.
Do you know that GT has code in it that will cause the game to crash whenever some mod tries to override some item ID he is using to prevent item ID conflicts? Would that be similarly bad reason for crashing the game?All that said. Under no circumstances ever would I allow a mod that thought this was sufficient reason to crash a game to be in a pack I created.
Nothing will stop him... If he wants, he can add all the addons for IC2 to that blacklist, which will be hilarious. It's true that he went too far. About the wood... MFR harvester, planter and fertilizer are enough to get you tons of wood so I don't see a reason to get so mad but xD.... your opinion. Also it's mDiyo not MdyoWell, I can already tell that this thread won't end well...
I'll kick it off with my short opinion on what I understand about the GT VS TC thing, for people who don't know what it's about.
EDIT: Just to clarify, this is what I've understood from the situation. I might be completely wrong, and if I am, feel free to tell me so that I can put my facts in order.
1) Greg nerfs wood. He makes it so that logs only give you two planks. This is changeable in configs, but it's pretty odd. It affects basically every mod and vanilla because of how the tech trees are laid out, and it doesn't make the game hard, it just requires you to cut down twice as many trees. I don't agree with this change because it basically breaks the balance of every mod in FTB.
2) Mdyo decides to un-nerf wood. Bearing in mind that he's basically doing what Greg did to every other mod, but it's a de-nerf not a nerf. It was childish, but justified. I don't know enough about how much communication goes on between them to comment on this more.
3) Greg decides to make his mod CRASH YOUR GAME if it detects Tinker's Contruct installed.
This is... ridiculous.
Not only are his actions bordering on malware, distributing software specifically designed to cause crashes, I consider it an abuse of trust.
Personally, if Greg wants us to choose between TC and GT, I'm going for Tinker's.
Up until now I've been a defender of GT ("they have configs", "I like the content, not the nerfs") but I'm completely shocked that he would be this childish. It's a sort of escalation that should never have happened, and it's gotten out of hand.
So there you have my point of view. I'm personally not going to be using GT any more until these issues are adressed, because I get the feeling Greg is just trying to see how far he can go before we've had enough.
Feel free to disagree with me though.
Do you know that GT has code in it that will cause the game to crash whenever some mod tries to override some item ID he is using to prevent item ID conflicts? Would that be similarly bad reason for crashing the game?
With zero drama:
If the GT version(s) in question are not part of any FTB pack, then there is no issue with FTB.
If it is part of a (publicly available) FTB pack, slowpoke has a legal obligation to remove the offending version. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA), 18 U.S.C. 1030