Update on the Future of FTB Modpacks in 1.7

[LORD_MJ]

The beauty about 1.7 is that we can mix and mash anything, with the IDs gone we can make our packs as expansive or as simple as we want them to.

I support the idea of one energy system, and I think that RF is the best choice. I'll be honest, I wasn't a big fan of TE, but it has grown on me after a while. But I'm going to stay a fan of IC2, that will always be my "main" mod with TE as support.

What I want to see happen is to have an easier way to make custom packs. As in, we can specify what mods we want, and the launcher will download them automatically and keep them updated automatically.

 

[SatanicSanta]

What I want to see happen is to have an easier way to make custom packs. As in, we can specify what mods we want, and the launcher will download them automatically and keep them updated automatically.

I'm fairly certain that's what the Curse Client is going to/supposed to do.

 

[Flipz]

I'm in the same boat regarding bees, Jaded--they're what enticed me into modded Minecraft way back in the day, and they still hold a special place in my heart, but RF just makes more sense as a baseline.

And if any of us bees, trees, and butterflies fanatics get nostalgic, we could always build a "Bees and Trees" custom pack for ourselves for 1.6...

 

[lumien]

Saying RF power is simple is a bit misleading. Much like base Buildcraft and even, to a degree, base IC2, there aren't a lot of power choices. And, as it stands, there aren't a lot of endgame power output provided. Then again, that is what add ons are for. If you think anything about RF is simple, go play with Big Reactors for a bit and come back. And then there are Extra Utilties' generators.

My only concern, at this point, is the decision to base the main power using a mod that hasn't even updated yet. Both IC2 and BC have updated and you could even build some very interesting packs using them. TE has not, and because it has not a lot of the mods depending on it also have not. Which may lead to quite a long waiting period before we get to see stable 1.7 packs.

Okay, i went and made an fairly cheap and easy to build 7*7*3 reactor in my MID GAME that is now producing nearly 5000 RF/t while using up maybe 10 yellorium per day. It also can't explode.Well THAT was challenging and complicated.

I don't really play much minecraft anymore but when i played with RF stuff i didn't really like how generic/simple it was. On the server i was playing on most people either build magmatic dynamo towers to power something or used Extra Utilities Generators.Saying that this might also just be me being a "die hard traditionalist".

 

[Snahsnah]

Continuing to include things because "tradition" is silly politics and leads to stagnation. It leads to perfectly good mods getting overlooked as people cling to the "traditional" By splitting the energy systems up into seperate packs we allow for more variation

I get that you guys are tired of the same old mods in every pack. I sometimes am, too.
And I agree that it's a good idea to push for compatibility and standardization among mods in your position.
But I'd like to make 2 points:

1. I get that ic just doesn't fit into your pack anymore. But the reason so many people want to play the big pack with all the mods is because they are playing on a server with their friends, they don't have as many friends who play minecraft. They just want a pack that everyone can agree on. I know this gets easier with 1.7, but every bit of standardization goes a long way for the biggest chunk of your fans.
So please make a public big pack, even if it's not the one which gets most of your attention.

2. I like RF as a standard. But why does this mean that mods which are clearly built around their own power system, like FZ or RoC, are on the line?
I mean, are you going to exclude thaumcraft from your flagship because it has vis? At this point you are losing me. How does this increase the variation in a modpack? I think at this point you are not pushing for compatibility, you are forbidding a certain kind of design mechanic for mods.

I know you guys put a lot of work into this and if anyone of the team is actually reading this, thank you.

 

[eashonk]

Okay, i went and made an fairly cheap and easy to build 7*7*3 reactor in my MID GAME that is now producing nearly 5000 RF/t while using up maybe 10 yellorium per day. It also can't explode.Well THAT was challenging and complicated.

I don't really play much minecraft anymore but when i played with RF stuff i didn't really like how generic/simple it was. On the server i was playing on most people either build magmatic dynamo towers to power something or used Extra Utilities Generators.Saying that this might also just be me being a "die hard traditionalist".

it just depends on what you want to spend your time on. I like to setup power early so I can build without being bothered with it. If I wanted to do more, i could with other mods, to each his own.

 

[xbony2]

The only problem with this concept is that it hurts smaller mods that add their own power systems *Cought cough my mod cough* (Which is actually alright since I plan to make my own pack anyway)

 

[Pokefenn]

I'm in the same boat regarding bees, Jaded--they're what enticed me into modded Minecraft way back in the day, and they still hold a special place in my heart, but RF just makes more sense as a baseline.

And if any of us bees, trees, and butterflies fanatics get nostalgic, we could always build a "Bees and Trees" custom pack for ourselves for 1.6...

Bee's are great, but at some point, they wont cut it anymore.
I've been planning a thing 'like' them for awhile, but better \o/
*does a evil laugh running into his evil lair*

 

[Iskandar]

Okay, i went and made an fairly cheap and easy to build 7*7*3 reactor in my MID GAME that is now producing nearly 5000 RF/t while using up maybe 10 yellorium per day. It also can't explode.Well THAT was challenging and complicated.

I don't really play much minecraft anymore but when i played with RF stuff i didn't really like how generic/simple it was. On the server i was playing on most people either build magmatic dynamo towers to power something or used Extra Utilities Generators.Saying that this might also just be me being a "die hard traditionalist".

Uh huh, then you aren't using the default config of Big Reactors. Resonant Rise from the AT Launcher has the power multiplier set at some insane number for some odd reason. By default a reactor of that size produces 250 to maybe 500 RF/tick, and to get that high you need to be using liquid ender or cryothium, neither I would exactly say are mid game.

To legitimately produce 5,000 RF/tick you'd need to build a active cooled reactor and then pipe the resulting steam into a Big Reactors turbine with 20 blades and a coil made out of 8 BLOCKS of enderium. So, about that not being end game?

 

[Bagman817]

Uh huh, then you aren't using the default config of Big Reactors. Resonant Rise from the AT Launcher has the power multiplier set at some insane number for some odd reason. By default a reactor of that size produces 250 to maybe 500 RF/tick, and to get that high you need to be using liquid ender or cryothium, neither I would exactly say are mid game.

To legitimately produce 5,000 RF/tick you'd need to build a active cooled reactor and then pipe the resulting steam into a Big Reactors turbine with 20 blades and a coil made out of 8 BLOCKS of enderium. So, about that not being end game?

Actually, no. Output was buffed significantly in the 0.3 update.

 

[seanbrockest]

As long as I have a quarry at my disposal, i'm good.

 

[condor700]

Any information on Gregtech? It has (limited) MJ support, and it's a quintessential part of FTB for many.

 

[Iskandar]

Actually, no. Output was buffed significantly in the 0.3 update.

Not that much. I've used it since. Unless you've messed with the default configs, you don't get that much power out of a reactor. I'm basing my numbers off my own testing and the turbine testing found in this document.

Again, if you've used Big Reactors in the Resonant Rise pack from the AT launcher the reason why you get so much power is because they have fiddled with the config files.

 

[ThatOneSlowking]

If they have native RF support its possible, Mek more than the UE mods. Cal's update cycle is insane to keep up with for packs.

Mekanism is actually ALL plwer support. It adds cables that can be in UE, EU, RF, And MJ[DOUBLEPOST=1398558160][/DOUBLEPOST]

Any information on Gregtech? It has (limited) MJ support, and it's a quintessential part of FTB for many.

It has been previously stated that there will be no more Official FTB packs containing GT

 

[SatanicSanta]

I'm in the same boat regarding bees, Jaded--they're what enticed me into modded Minecraft way back in the day, and they still hold a special place in my heart, but RF just makes more sense as a baseline.

And if any of us bees, trees, and butterflies fanatics get nostalgic, we could always build a "Bees and Trees" custom pack for ourselves for 1.6...

And then you can finally finish teaching me how to breed stuff

 

[milkman]

Oh quests will be appearing in a couple more and different packs. I'm not stopping with 1 pack for quests ... I has plans.

Now that's the best thing i read on here... Thank you

 

[Bagman817]

Not that much. I've used it since. Unless you've messed with the default configs, you don't get that much power out of a reactor. I'm basing my numbers off my own testing and the turbine testing found in this document.

Again, if you've used Big Reactors in the Resonant Rise pack from the AT launcher the reason why you get so much power is because they have fiddled with the config files.

You must be using an old version. After reading your post, I thought Agrarian Skies may have tweaked the configs, so I downloaded 0.3.2a from the website and dropped in in the DW20 pack. A little 5x5 generates nearly 4.78k RF/t.

 

[Jadedcat]

I get that you guys are tired of the same old mods in every pack. I sometimes am, too.
And I agree that it's a good idea to push for compatibility and standardization among mods in your position.
But I'd like to make 2 points:

1. I get that ic just doesn't fit into your pack anymore. But the reason so many people want to play the big pack with all the mods is because they are playing on a server with their friends, they don't have as many friends who play minecraft. They just want a pack that everyone can agree on. I know this gets easier with 1.7, but every bit of standardization goes a long way for the biggest chunk of your fans.
So please make a public big pack, even if it's not the one which gets most of your attention.

2. I like RF as a standard. But why does this mean that mods which are clearly built around their own power system, like FZ or RoC, are on the line?
I mean, are you going to exclude thaumcraft from your flagship because it has vis? At this point you are losing me. How does this increase the variation in a modpack? I think at this point you are not pushing for compatibility, you are forbidding a certain kind of design mechanic for mods.

I know you guys put a lot of work into this and if anyone of the team is actually reading this, thank you.

You missed the whole point and jumped to a bunch of conspiracy theory conclusions. Please don't do that and then ask for us to answer you. Your questions have already been answered in the thread.

 

[Qazplm601]

I am a traditionalist. this makes me sad. I must admit... i have never made nor used a pulverizer. *runs back, crying towards his base with macerators*

 

[condor700]

[quote="ThatOneSlowking, post: 624108,
It has been previously stated that there will be no more Official FTB packs containing GT[/quote]

I wholeheartedly expected that comment to be buried, so firstoff let me thank the devs. A major theme in this thread seems to be "If you like/dislike something, add/remove it yourself". However, the FTB community is largely about server play. Some servers use custom packs, but its a pain to set up, and because official packs are so mainstream, its also extremely difficult to find others to play with, not to mention fixing bugs that are unique to that one combination of mods. Its not as simple as just adding or removing a few mods. Gregtech is probably the most polarizing mod in existence, but a good chunk of Beast Feeders can't play without it. I know how hard the Feed the Beast team is working, but, with many others behind me, I need to ask for Gregtech's inclusion in 1.7. Otherwise, players are forced to choose between mods and other players, which is a hard decision to make.

Edit: the quote derped. just roll with it