Not sure what you're trying to prove. Someones attitude before beginning a project is hardly representative of their attitude now. June 2011 is 1 and a half years ago.
Redpower going the way of Nandonalt's Mods?
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Not sure what you're trying to prove. Someones attitude before beginning a project is hardly representative of their attitude now. June 2011 is 1 and a half years ago.
I would donate to moders if I could afford to do so. But even a dollar is out of my price range. And even if I could donate a dollar to Elo in hopes that she could take a day off to just work on redpower, why would I? I can't see anything really coming of it. If everyone who downloads the mod in parts off of her site through Ad.ly links didn't make a difference we could perceive, for all of her old versions, why would donating even 50 cents a person change anything? The issue isn't that she doesn't work on Redpower. The issue is that she does, but we can't see that. I wouldn't donate to someone who is likely to ignore me. I would rather give that money to a homeless person who I would feel better giving it to, even if they would waste it on booze and hookers.
If I were to donate to someone in the modding community, it would likely either be Our Tentacled Overlord, The guy who I can thank for my ability to play the game on my computers, That guy who makes Forestry, Some French Dude, or My Favorite Evil Science Guy. Or any of the modders who make smaller mods I love. Or Vazkii, because he seems nice and is likely to spend the donation on skittles.
I am not trying to "prove" anything. I am stating that she said she liked open source, and would likely open source the modification. Yes, that was one and a half years ago. And yes, people often change their mind. But it is still a useful data point for this discussion if people want to start talking about others taking over the modification.
Personally, I do not care either way, and I am fairly amused that there are people that are getting so involved in something so utterly pointless. Good luck!
The current evidence of 1.5 years trumps a statement, really.
The only word for that phrase here is irony.
I guess I'm about the only one around who doesnt really use RP2 much at all. The only thing i really use out of the whole mod is the redstone wire, the sorting i do with buildcraft and i dont use frames at all . I hope she keeps updating the Mod but I know that Real Life has to come first , after all its just a game.
I also fall into the group that we as users of a completely free mod have no rights in anyway to complain about anything to do with mod. It is hers and we are just using it as long as she thanks it is ok .
I also fall into the group that we as users of a completely free mod have no rights in anyway to complain about anything to do with mod. It is hers and we are just using it as long as she thanks it is ok .
So you are claiming that she either lied when she made that post, she suffered a massive personality shift, or something else in that regard? I'm sure something like that is possible.
How was what I said ironic at all? I do not care if redpower2 is removed, is taken over by another person, if it is updated tomorrow, or if it turns into a small kangaroo named Fred who is willing to give me a ride to a magical land where people can get along on the internet when they have differences of opinion. It does not matter to me because I barely use it, and am pretty much entirely phasing it out now that I am using Logistic Pipes. The only thing I would not have a replacement for would be frames, and I don't really use them at this point, although I'm sure there are other modifications to be able to use them.
In either regard, whatever happens is what happens. It is pointless to have a four page "discussion" about it as currently nothing has happened. And it is utterly pointless to attempt to claim otherwise, but feel free to go ahead and do exactly that. I won't continue to feed the off-topic beast, though, so if you wish to continue attempting to go off topic, please be aware that it is merely to attempt to get the "last word" as I won't reply to you further about this matter. Thanks!
Hey, on the tangentially-related topic of mods we want content for, does Soaryn have a donation button somewhere I can prod him with?
Only reason I'm using RP2, personally, is because there's no official Logistic Pipes yet.. Sure, the red wire is awesome, but I can live without that (granted, it'd take more room to build things, but it's still doable). Sorting is pretty much my main reason for using RP2. I'll keep using it as long as it's in the packs, but if it gets removed or replaced by something else (LP2 for sorting, mostly), I wouldn't cry about it. I'd prefer if it didn't, but yeah..
Like most people, I would like it if Elo posted some bugfixes, I won't claim otherwise, but I know how being busy can make coding impossible. I've done a (non-public) mod for another game. I couldn't even work on it to make it public cause RL came up and made me stop coding completely. And it's not even java coding. XML is a lot easier than Java.. If she's working as much as she was before the holidays, I can completely understand her being unable to work on RP2's updates.
Like most people, I would like it if Elo posted some bugfixes, I won't claim otherwise, but I know how being busy can make coding impossible. I've done a (non-public) mod for another game. I couldn't even work on it to make it public cause RL came up and made me stop coding completely. And it's not even java coding. XML is a lot easier than Java.. If she's working as much as she was before the holidays, I can completely understand her being unable to work on RP2's updates.
I think that you shouldn't demand that Elorram to update or be proactive. Her mod was made for no financial gain. Her bugs aren't game breaking that I know of. They are useable but not well optimized. Also there are fixes or bypasses for the bugs. Mods take time and time is something not everyone has a lot of. She doesn't have to make an announcements or make etas. The FTB team announced the Ultimate Pack a long time ago. Has it come out? No! So why are you yelling at one person which I think who's job is harder? Cherish what you have and be patient.
Not donating to a closed-source project...I dunno why, but just that statement alone is hilarious to me. FOSS isn't a guarantee of quality. Closed-source isn't a guarantee of quality. Know what guarantees quality? The developers of said content. That said, Eloraam is a massively talented developer, and has released an excellent mod. Does it have some bad bugs? Yeah, but this shit happens. Will it be fixed? Chances are, it will. Elo hasn't let us down yet. Has she been quiet? Yup, but I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
Programming takes a hell of a long time for anything of any size, and something that encompasses as much as Red Power does, even a simple bugfix can take a long fuckin time. Code isn't easy to work with, and I can attest to it being a downright ornery whore, at times. You fix one bug, but that fix causes two more bugs to pop up, its like fighting a damned hydra. Don't take my word for it, though. Ask Azanor, King Lemming, Soaryn, or Chicken Bones, I'm all but absolutely certain they'll back me up on that.
The bottom line is, working on a mod takes time, and the time it takes scales with the scale of the mod. Red Power is a mod of, quite frankly, a colossal scale, it only stands to reason that what laymen would consider a simple fix would, in fact, take a long damned time to not only track down, but fix in a way that doesn't break a dozen other things in the process.
Programming takes a hell of a long time for anything of any size, and something that encompasses as much as Red Power does, even a simple bugfix can take a long fuckin time. Code isn't easy to work with, and I can attest to it being a downright ornery whore, at times. You fix one bug, but that fix causes two more bugs to pop up, its like fighting a damned hydra. Don't take my word for it, though. Ask Azanor, King Lemming, Soaryn, or Chicken Bones, I'm all but absolutely certain they'll back me up on that.
The bottom line is, working on a mod takes time, and the time it takes scales with the scale of the mod. Red Power is a mod of, quite frankly, a colossal scale, it only stands to reason that what laymen would consider a simple fix would, in fact, take a long damned time to not only track down, but fix in a way that doesn't break a dozen other things in the process.
ROFL.. I LOVE these threads...
BECAUSE I WANT something makes it Elo RESPONSIBILITY to GIVE me what I WANT.
Reminds me of ATT wireless, 8 months after I canceled their service and switched to Verizon they sent me a bill for $120. The customer dis-service rep, after about 45 minutes going over every bill from the previous 2 years agreed the $120 bill was a mistake, then said "because we sent you a bill, you HAVE to pay it".
Or.. to your example, if you OFFER to drive somebody home, that is a verbal contract and you ARE responsible if you then dump somebody off in the middle of nowhere.
A more appropriate example would be if you wrote a book, and put it out on the internet for people to download for free, would you then be "responsible" to fix it when people start screaming on forums because of a few typos?
No one is demanding anything. People are just stating opinions. My opinion is that the lack of updates and fixes on RP2 lag issues is annoying and that it would be nice if we could get some word on what's happening.
Not to mention that no matter what coding language you're working on, one can make one tiny mistake and while it may be of no real consequence, someone, somewhere, will bitch about it. I am guilty of this sort of thing, and while I even offered to provide the fixed code(it was a really easy fix), the person attested that they could not find the error I was having.
Are Redpower 2s Bugs game breaking? No. Thus, they are non-vital. One can have small issues and it isn't often a problem. But they are a needle in a haystack when it comes to coding. The only reason I was able to find the error in the code from the mod I was having one tiny issue with is because I knew exactly what I was doing to have that issue. I could find it because I could repeat the steps and was willing to search the whole mod to find said needle. The modder didn't have that luxury. He had a mod to maintain, improve, and other things to work on.
Now, if Redpower 2 was open source, we would have people trying to solve their issues like I did. But the mod I had the issue with was for TES IV: Oblivion. You can't make a closed source mod for that game. But for Minecraft? Yeah, you can. And some don't want to jump on the open source boat. Some prefer to not have thousands of people trying to improve your work, or having millions trying to use your code in their own mod. So some don't make their mods Open Source. That's fine. If Elo decides she can't keep working on it at all, maybe she'll release the source code. Maybe not. Her call, not anyone else's.
That being said, if you want someone who is doing something for free to do something you want for it, write up a contract and get them to agree to it. That's what Fenoxo does with his game. Donate money and he'll code something in for you. $10 per hour of coding he'll devote to it. Plus, he streams his coding, so he is held accountable for the time you bought.
Are Redpower 2s Bugs game breaking? No. Thus, they are non-vital. One can have small issues and it isn't often a problem. But they are a needle in a haystack when it comes to coding. The only reason I was able to find the error in the code from the mod I was having one tiny issue with is because I knew exactly what I was doing to have that issue. I could find it because I could repeat the steps and was willing to search the whole mod to find said needle. The modder didn't have that luxury. He had a mod to maintain, improve, and other things to work on.
Now, if Redpower 2 was open source, we would have people trying to solve their issues like I did. But the mod I had the issue with was for TES IV: Oblivion. You can't make a closed source mod for that game. But for Minecraft? Yeah, you can. And some don't want to jump on the open source boat. Some prefer to not have thousands of people trying to improve your work, or having millions trying to use your code in their own mod. So some don't make their mods Open Source. That's fine. If Elo decides she can't keep working on it at all, maybe she'll release the source code. Maybe not. Her call, not anyone else's.
That being said, if you want someone who is doing something for free to do something you want for it, write up a contract and get them to agree to it. That's what Fenoxo does with his game. Donate money and he'll code something in for you. $10 per hour of coding he'll devote to it. Plus, he streams his coding, so he is held accountable for the time you bought.
Redpower2 currently has a bug that allows you to duplicate items. It works on SMP, and is extremely easy to do. It's something that people have been mentioning for the past few weeks, and is something that I believe most everyone would consider "game breaking".
And before anyone can try and make the failed argument of "Well, just don't use it!", that isn't a logical response to dealing with a bug that you cannot regulate. You can disable two extremely useful items to disable the bug, but at that point we're already on our way down the slippery slope and going over the edge.
That said, it is likely best to just disable the two items for now instead of waiting for a bug fix to come, as the release cycle for redpower2 appears to be fairly slow. It happens, and you learn to work around it.
We've had a duplicate bug in every FTB build for the main packs at least since I started playing it in oct. I don't see why redpower gets special flak for it when people put up with.. I think it was railcraft? duplication bugs, and enchanting duplication bugs, etc.
I'd say the same thing no matter the modification that had the bug, for the same reason: Duplication is game breaking when you are attempting to run a survival server. It is one of the main reasons that I keep the population of my server down to only people that I can trust to not abuse any bugs they find (or that live close enough to me that I can drive by Rickroll them at 2am until they stop it) as it is extremely hard to verify someone is duplicating items.
I'm not sure that redpower2 is getting any sort of "special flak" in regards to that bug, but more so because the modification's author has appeared to entirely disappear for the past two months. It is similar to when Notch when more or less dark for months on end, and how people would be chopping at the bit for even the smallest bit of data on the next update, although that was likely conditioned by the seecret Friday updates coming out so regularly.
Also, I just remembered that redpower added the project tables. Now THAT would be a shame to lose, as they're fairly wonderful little buggers. On the bright side, given the previous history of the author, it'll likely end up being a non-issue.
Probably because things such as Railcraft are updated quite often, while it takes months for a RedPower update... If something's wrong in Railcraft the response is "oh that sucks, oh well it'll be fixed in a few days." If something is wrong in RedPower, it's more like "Oh shit well I guess that's broken until Minecraft 1.6.5".
When there is a lack of information, there will be rumors and speculation. That's just human nature. Heck, the whole idea of mythology and religion is based on that principle, coming up with creative answers to unanswerable questions. All you can really do to stop it is to provide concrete information, and even that won't stop it completely.These rumors should probably stop.RL crops up from time to time, some of us have incredibly busy schedules, and Elo is no exception here. Should RP ever be discontinued, I'm pretty confident there would be some sort of official heads up.
In this case, no news is good news.
On another note, if Eloraam ever does give in and let someone else work on the mod, you'd be one of the top choices on my list to take over
Thermal Expansion is great! Now if only your liquiducts and conduits could accept gates and facades...On another note, if Eloraam ever does give in and let someone else work on the mod, you'd be one of the top choices on my list to take over
I vote for Saryan (sp!!!), what RP needs is about 50 more world gen ores that don't have any use until MC 3.2.3.5
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