Or you are sooooo old that just can't notice anymore that Microsoft is changing... (for the better)
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...or drinking the other company's Kool-Aid
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...or drinking the other company's Kool-Aid
haha, exactly.
I wonder how many times people have said MS is an "old man company" in this thread alone..
Look, here is my opinion on this thread right now. I think we should give them a chance since they have a new CEO etc and see where this goes. However. I do not think that we will be able to change anyone elses minds that think they will not change until they release a statement, and even then...
It's not that Microsoft is an evil corporation*- It's that it's a corporation in the first place, and a corporation's decisions, whose underlying reason and logic is completely different than a small rich independent company's, are extremely unlikely to be anything good in either the short run or the long run (if if there are some good people there who understand why the game is good).
Minecraft is a very relaxed, free game which i don't think will benefit from pressuring the developers.
It has never been about the money- Mojang had the resources to hire ten times the developers already, it simply wasn't in the spirit of minecraft developing: in the long run you'd get a shallower, committee-designed game.
*In other news- invoking EA has essentially become the godwin law of gaming company (and from what I've heard they make a good attempt for that).
Minecraft is a very relaxed, free game which i don't think will benefit from pressuring the developers.
It has never been about the money- Mojang had the resources to hire ten times the developers already, it simply wasn't in the spirit of minecraft developing: in the long run you'd get a shallower, committee-designed game.
*In other news- invoking EA has essentially become the godwin law of gaming company (and from what I've heard they make a good attempt for that).
Yes however I just dislike the fact that people are assuming things are going to be horrible when so far they are turning out alright for now. I didn't like the news all that much either trust me, but then I just remembered that I don't have 2.5 billion and can't do much about it other than calm down wait and see what happens. So far it's been pretty fun playing and relaxing and doing the usual.
The statement about the Youtubers is comforting, and it'd be nice to hear some sort of broad statement of intent with regard to mods. I've got patchy internet currently, and I'm not even sure how best to do it, but is there a way we could set up some form of petition to Microsoft in a way that they'd actually see it? If they can see that there is a strong modding community that is prepared to work with them provided they don't do anything anti-modding, maybe it'd prompt some sort of response.
They've shown that they're willing to respect the community over the Youtube issue. A similar statement about modders would put a lot of the panic to rest. As much as I've taken the patient view, the ongoing silence isn't doing much for my peace of mind
I love posts like this.
It's always about the money. Everything is about money, even when it's not.
and which decisions have been made? I don't understand how the developers have been pressured, or that there has been any signal that they will be "pressured" this is only conjecture and crystal ball scrying.
This simply is not true. If you allow that to happen, that's one thing entirely. More people working on a project just means more man hours can be allocated to a particular task.
The statement about the Youtubers is comforting, and it'd be nice to hear some sort of broad statement of intent with regard to mods. I've got patchy internet currently, and I'm not even sure how best to do it, but is there a way we could set up some form of petition to Microsoft in a way that they'd actually see it? If they can see that there is a strong modding community that is prepared to work with them provided they don't do anything anti-modding, maybe it'd prompt some sort of response.
They've shown that they're willing to respect the community over the Youtube issue. A similar statement about modders would put a lot of the panic to rest. As much as I've taken the patient view, the ongoing silence isn't doing much for my peace of mind
I'd just try tweeting Phil and being honest and open with him. https://twitter.com/XboxP3
I mean, it's worth a shot.
Id argue that allowing Ms to see the community throwing a huge fit JUST because they are Ms may prove counter-productive in the long run.
Displaying ourselves as unreasonable, and prone to rampant hyperbole is not going to make them more likely to work with us in the future.
Keeping open lines of communication may prove usefull....closing down those same lines is not likely to be.....
Displaying ourselves as unreasonable, and prone to rampant hyperbole is not going to make them more likely to work with us in the future.
Keeping open lines of communication may prove usefull....closing down those same lines is not likely to be.....
I simply meant maybe one or two people, not the entire modding community just attacking them and spamming them.
yes, I think you and I are largely on the same page. My comment was far more general and pointed at the Ms is the devil crowd.
I was thinking more along the lines of that their willingness to address the community's concerns is good to see what with the uncertainty some have felt since the takeover, and asking that they extend a similar attitude towards the modding community.
That's why I was thinking that 1 or 2 people, fairly well-recognised in the modding community, could make a petition expressing the sort of sentiments above and what the modding community means to its members. This could then be sent on to Microsoft, as a way to say 'We're willing to work with you, if you're willing to work with us'.
Mojang had vastly more money than it strictly needed or used, which cannot be said on microsoft. The developers have not being pressured yet, but as microsoft employees i doubt they"ll get the same relaxed attitude (Which is not that they don't work a lot now- it's that they"ll be expected to work a lot). Notch himself said it wasn't about the money, and i don't think he lies- he already had more money than he was ever going to spend in his lifetime.
It's not that minecraft will instantly turn bad (there are still the final closing of the deal with all the intricate managment, financial and legal details), or that microsoft people are bad- but i think the changes they"ll do, step by step, will overall not be good for us.
Sometimes more people means more problems... Clashing egos wanting to take things in different directions, duplicated efforts, that kind of thing. It all depends on the company culture and desired work environment.
Yep exactly. In a team that functions more like a democracy, that's definitely a danger.
I don't see such a situation arising with Microsoft at the helm. Even if Microsoft leaves them be for the most part, they've still got to be a bit more focused than before. No more bunnies.
that's what happened on forge (among a few other projects)
just to show that the MC modding community is not immune to it, hell just take a look at some of the comments in the "techmods, missing the point" thread
I have yet to see such an idealistic project in my professional career. Usually it's layers of management all with stakeholders that can enforce decisions that affect the project. And as the project gets closer to completion more and more layers of management get involved and throw in their pet projects.Yep exactly. In a team that functions more like a democracy, that's definitely a danger.
I don't see such a situation arising with Microsoft at the helm. Even if Microsoft leaves them be for the most part, they've still got to be a bit more focused than before. No more bunnies.
I can't speak for Microsoft but I would assume marketing, PR, legal, and finance all have some sort of say in the direction the project will go, and that's just divisions external to development. For example, say in 18 months they have a bad quarter, management will probably pressure all divisions to increase revenue, and for the most part they will comply.
Corporations behave more like totalitarian feudal states. Not democracies. And MS is one of the more aggressive ones when it comes to competing with the other feudal states.
An oldie but goodie that pretty accurately demonstrates how creative projects work in corporations.