Reika has said he is done updating for 1.6.4 and is working on the 1.7 version. The most recent info I saw from him was sharing a jar with all his mods in it trying to figure out a loading bug. I honestly wouldn't expect it to be very long at all considering how fast he puts out updates.
Is Rotarycraft stupidly difficult or am I the stupid one?
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Reika and his bitchslaps...[DOUBLEPOST=1409197641][/DOUBLEPOST]
I wish he'd Chromaticraft for 1.6.4...
Yes, it is coming soon. Probably last week.
If you ask about stuff like exploding performance engine and other minor-but-annoying things, yes. I want it to be changed. As for magnetostatic engines, I think you wouldn't do so anyways. But I have to point again the fact that if someone doesn't agree with your design, it doesn't mean that he's stupid or understands nothing. I posted plenty of arguments before.
People who power IC2 grid with power converters also skipping a good portion of IC2 and its progression. Does anyone give a shit about? If I want to use only a couple of machines from a mod, I won't make a huge infrastructure. Oh, OK, you nerfed magnetostatics so people will build some RoC equipment, use it a couple of times, and return back to RF. Happy now? You see, as I said earlier, it's not the end of the world, but that attitude "you use my mod wrong" is the thing to worry about. Next step is "early wood is too easy because it allows to make my awesome machines faster, so let's nerf it".
Yes I meant gasturbine, and I didn't even finish the sentence, because I was and sleepy. :/
As for thinking/investigation, there are a number of mods that require it, not only RoC.
Energy storage is not energy converter. As you see I don't complain about machine costs or requirements. It's the artifical difficulties that force player to do something he doesn't want to. The recipes are hardly have any sence (realism?), they are screaming "PROVE THAT YOU MADE MY MACHINES!!!". Okay, I made a pulsejet furnace, that has like 2 other uses, one of which is decorative, and second one is very inconvenient, now what? I makes you feel better or what? Make people WANT to make your furnace, not FORCE them to do so.
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I had been trying to avoid the gas turbines because getting the resources for jet fuel production is so complicated, but once I got around to it, I ended up powering my extractor with one and never looked back. And it was the tiering of the magnetostatics that brought me to that point, because I thought "OK, I need jet fuel anyway to run the pulse jet furnace I need to make the tier 4 upgrades. I might as well try a few other things."
My main problem with magnetostatic nerfs is actually neither the tiering nor the lubricant (though I find the latter annoying), but the fact that between v24 and v25, the engines were changed to have a warmup period. Before, I could nicely integrate RotaryCraft production machines into my ME network for on-demand autocrafting. Now that doesn't work anymore because the engines take so long to warm up. Now there is no more RotaryCraft engine with a power of 8 MW and up that doesn't have a warmup period, and that managed what the other nerfs didn't: I'm trying to find ways to avoid RotaryCraft machines for autocrafting, where before I had actively looked for ways to include them. The other nerfs didn't prevent me from doing what I wanted with these engines, it just took more work to get there. It may be annoying in any single case but ultimately I can live with it. That last one, though, is crippling, and I have only myself to blame, since I think it was I who mentioned "no warm-up" as an advantage of magnetostatics. Hopefully, next time I manage to keep silent.
This is exactly the same as having to make an induction smelter in TE in order to make the hardened glass you need for the redstone energy cell, or having to make a magma crucible and a fluid transposer to make the resonant ender for the tesseracts. Resonant Ender has about three uses as well. Why is that a problem in RotaryCraft when it isn't in TE?
Well, it *is* a bigger problem in RotaryCraft, but the fact that you need a new machine to make the components for another one is not it, rather than the fact that running this new machine - to use a often-quoted example, the pulse jet furnace - requires making jet fuel which has about the most annoying raw material requirement in all of modded Minecraft, while you can just slap the Induction Furnace, Magma Crucible and Fluid transposer into your existing RF power network.
Compare this to the other machine you need for the magnetostatic tier 4 upgrade, the friction heater. Running this is as easy as RotaryCraft ever gets. Just keep an eye on the power and you're good. You may *want* to use microturbines to power it (IIRC you would need two), but a chain of tier 3 magnetostatics can do it as well.
I say the latter example is about what you get in most tech mods, including TE. Standard tech tiering is not a problem (TM). Where I agree is that nested requirements like for the pulse jet furnace can result in extreme time sinks that are a real put-off for people who just want to dip into a mod. I think I spent more time creating the production facilities for the raw materials for jet fuel than with everything else in RotaryCraft combined (excluding ReactorCraft).
If I made a public modpack and wanted to include RotaryCraft, I would ask Reika for one thing: the permission to create an alternative, significantly easier recipe for jet fuel (using the same machine, and being less efficient so that there is still motivation to use the complicated one eventually). That wouldn't break the tiering in any way but make it so much less of a hassle that it becomes possible to "just explore" RotaryCraft.
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Well, it maybe kinda the same, but it feels way different because it was not added with the only purpose of stopping people from messing with other mods.
As for resonant ender, maybe it has only three uses, but not the magma crucible/liquid transposer that you can and probably will use for other stuff. As you see, I am not complaining about slurry/solutions having only one use (I don't like them clugging the NEI, though), but about a machine that's basicaly useless other than that. Resonant ender is a resource that you can make, use, and never make it again.
Well, it maybe kinda the same, but it feels way different because it was not added with the only purpose of stopping people from messing with other mods.
As for resonant ender, maybe it has only three uses, but not the magma crucible/liquid transposer that you can and probably will use for other stuff. As you see, I am not complaining about slurry/solutions having only one use (I don't like them clugging the NEI, though), but about a machine that's basicaly useless other than that. Resonant ender is a resource that you can make, use, and never make it again.
There's still the fuel enhancer, but it has basically the same annoying requirements and depends on Buildcraft.
The difference is that most machines on RF only draw energy on demand, but it's not that easy for RoC machines. One problem is the spin up time or even worse, the heat up time. You can't use a 67 MW friction heated furnace for on-demand smelting without either having a warm up time or wasting a lot of power.
There is one very simple solution to warmup periods.
Never turn anything off.
If you're using magnetostatics, just have the RF supply work persistently.
I never turn my fission reactors off, fuel production and the entire tech tree of subsidiary systems work sustainably without oversight from me. Output is matched closely to input so I never have to worry about running out of power in my batteries or overfilling them and wasting the excess.
As for jet fuel production, it's not actually that difficult to automate. Most of the bits can be grown, the only slight wrinkle is slot selection for inserting items into the fractionation machine but there's about 3 mods that can do that for you.
To automate a thing is to offer up a sacrifice unto Colin.
Praises be to Colin!
Never turn anything off.
If you're using magnetostatics, just have the RF supply work persistently.
I never turn my fission reactors off, fuel production and the entire tech tree of subsidiary systems work sustainably without oversight from me. Output is matched closely to input so I never have to worry about running out of power in my batteries or overfilling them and wasting the excess.
As for jet fuel production, it's not actually that difficult to automate. Most of the bits can be grown, the only slight wrinkle is slot selection for inserting items into the fractionation machine but there's about 3 mods that can do that for you.
To automate a thing is to offer up a sacrifice unto Colin.
Praises be to Colin!
How do you think I deal with magnetostatic upgrades? I make a stack or two of them, just in case, and never need to bother with them again. I also severly overproduce lubricant. A very small somewhat accelerated farm is good for everything except ReactorCraft turbines. For those you need a riduculously overpowered medium-sized canola farm.
Also, I did mention the warm-up period as a crippling feature of v25+ magnetostatics that's more annoying than any other nerf in one of my previous posts. I definitely agree about that. Generally, I think RotaryCraft machines are better suited for batch processing, but to remove the capability for on-demand activity from the only engine that had it, that comes very close to deliberately making things difficult for no sufficient reason.
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Main issue for me to do that is limited supply of soul sand. Unfortunately jet-powered borer doesn't give me enough to use two other jets constantly.
And you have a useless pulsejet furnace after that...
BTW, what's the heck is a pulsejet furnace? I know about pulsejet engines, but furnace?
You don't need that. The slots won't overfill. You can simply use a precision export bus with the six items.
Do the motors from ElectriCraft have a spin-up time? If not then there's a solution. But heater and friction heater still take some time to warm up.
I use Magical Crops for all the rarer resources, including magma cream, blaze powder and soul sand.
Just as you have a useless Magma Crucible if you produce all your resonant ender and destabilized Redstone in advance. Also, not useless. First, it's used to make blast glass which is needed for reactors, and according to the handbook it can also make steel faster, though I haven't figured out how to do that.
Speaking of which, is it still impossible to harvest canola with MFR? If it is, why so?[DOUBLEPOST=1409217628][/DOUBLEPOST]
Magical crops is... Magical crops.
Magma crucible has way more uses than that. Making lava, redstone stuff, glowstone luminators. As for reactors using blast glass, didn't know about that, sorry. But still, Magma Crucible requires way less infrastructure to support and I feel like it's always useful.
Nnnnope.
The slots on the fractionator are specific to each item. Precision export buses tend to fill things in the wrong order and on occasion i've found they bug out and refuse to export when I manually sort the order out in the GUI.
I needed a cunning arrangement of LP to manage it, but I finally got it working.
This is a recent change and, I believe, not widely known. Even without it, one Logistics Pipes' supplier pipe solves this problem neatly. Use a dedicated ME interface to export the raw materials from your ME network.
They have not. ElectriCraft is, however, a late game mod, and there's the additional problem that TE and EnderIO RF cables support covers and facades, while Reika's mods generally don't. That's actually the one thing I would like to see added the most: some form of cover or facade mechanic.
I think the problem is on MFR's side. Its creator would need to add support but hasn't done so.