Gregtech deliberately crashing client if TC installed..

[Dee_Twenty]

Good thing there are people that have done the work for you and post the pre-configured things right here on this forum.

The fact that enough people feel it necessary for pre-modified configs to exist at all illustrates why a simple blanket on/off option in the config is necessary.

 

[SatanicSanta]

First off, hey Vauthil, have't seen you in a while.

Secondly, Hoho, I refuse to reply back to the config discussion. I have told you my opinion on it several times, yet you refuse to acknowledge that. Goodbye.

Lastly, I liked GregTech, a lot. I hate to see it take this route.[DOUBLEPOST=1374138710][/DOUBLEPOST]

The fact that enough people feel it necessary for pre-modified configs to exist at all illustrates why a simple blanket on/off option in the config is necessary.

One last thing. I disagree with you on this. I like full control when it comes to my configs.

 

[Hoho]

The fact that enough people feel it necessary for pre-modified configs to exist at all illustrates why a simple blanket on/off option in the config is necessary.

It also illustrates the mod is quite popular despite what people claim.

Also besides the config thingy there is another mod (of a mod of a mod) that changes some things with GT that don't have config options. no one stops people from using that if they choose to do so.

I like full control when it comes to my configs.

Here we agree. I wish more mods would provide even remotely as many options as GT does.

 

[Dee_Twenty]

One last thing. I disagree with you on this. I like full control when it comes to my configs.

I'm not saying the micromanaging options shouldn't still be there, just that there should be an option that overrides them all when set to true and reverts all of the changes Greg makes to non-exploitative recipes.

Also besides the config thingy there is another mod (of a mod of a mod) that changes some things with GT that don't have config options. no one stops people from using that if they choose to do so.

Given the tantrum he threw when mDiyo dared to revert one of his precious nerfs how long do you really expect it to be before he pulls a similar stunt with that mod?

 

[Hoho]

Given the tantrum he threw when mDiyo dared to revert one of his precious nerfs how long do you really expect it to be before he pulls a similar stunt with that mod?

for starters because that mod requires the user to specifically choose to install it to get the reverted changes. With TiC user was bluntly forbbidden to use a feature even if it had a configurable option. Had TiC added the wood un-nerf with a config on his side I wouldn't have had any problem with it personally except that it would have confused users a bit to have different configs for exact same thing.

 

[Dee_Twenty]

for starters because that mod requires the user to specifically choose to install it to get the reverted changes. With TiC user was bluntly forbbidden to use a feature even if it had a configurable option. Had TiC added the wood un-nerf with a config on his side I wouldn't have had any problem with it personally except that it would have confused users a bit to have different configs for exact same thing.

Sort of like the way several of Greg's changes to recipes from other mods bluntly force you to use his nerf with no way to disable them in the config, Greg doesn't get a pass to throw a tantrum when someone does to him what he does to everyone else.

 

[SatanicSanta]

It also illustrates the mod is quite popular despite what people claim.

Also besides the config thingy there is another mod (of a mod of a mod) that changes some things with GT that don't have config options. no one stops people from using that if they choose to do so.
Here we agree. I wish more mods would provide even remotely as many options as GT does.

GregTech is THE most customizable mods I have ever seen, and I've been using mods for years now. I like GT for this reason, and for the things it adds. It can make sorting systems, and factories very complex and fun to organize.

 

[SonOfABirch]

Did you try wood blocks?

Sure, some might argue that getting extra charcoal isn't an exploit. Some also say EE isn't.

but you cannot turn that charcoal back into wood. Therefore it is not a dupe bug.
If Greg had stuck with his original "macerate storage blocks to get back your ingots" there would be nothing to dupe. TiCo may have fascilitated this dupe bug, but fortune+autosmelt was in loooong before smelting storage blocks became a thing.

 

[Hoho]

Sort of like the way several of Greg's changes to recipes from other mods bluntly force you to use his nerf with no way to disable them in the config

Exactly as with the GT-addon mod you specifically have to decide to use GT and accept whatever stuff it adds (or reconfigure what can be). If you don't like some of the changes the mod makes, too bad, but you can't force your opinion on the modder. I'm sure there are many other mods people don't use either because they don't like the changes they make (easydiamonds, anyone?)

TiCo may have fascilitated this dupe bug, but fortune+autosmelt was in loooong before smelting storage blocks became a thing.

I tried checking when was fortune+autosmelt added to TiC but failed. The topic for the mod was created this year, assuming the mod is from that time then GT had storage block smelting before TiC had fortune+autosmelt.

[edit]
proof that GT had storageblock smelting at least a few weeks before TiC thread was created:
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/gregtech-configs-guide.6798/
storageblocksmelting is mentioned on 7'th January. Initial commit to TiC repository was made on 18'th January.
Autosmelt was actually added to TiC on 1'st May: https://github.com/mDiyo/TinkersCon...tinker/tconstruct/modifiers/ModAutoSmelt.java

 

[schyman]

How incredibly unfortunate. I have been a defender of GT since it was brought into the pack - because I enjoyed the style of play that it offered. I like complication and tedium as much as I like simplicity and creativity. I've argued balance vs. nerfs until my fingers hurt, trying to foster the idea that all playstyles in the sandbox are equally valid (and invalid).

None of this matters, now. The simple question any user needs to ask themselves is "do I trust the creator of this code?" to which the obvious answer for anyone with a sliver of common sense is a resounding "no", regardless of the petty circumstances surrounding it.

I don't say this as a programmer (who's code of ethics is demonstrably violated here) because I'm not - I'm on the security side of the IT house. In our terms, there are 3 basic pillars to security; confidentiality, integrity, and availability. I'll let you decide which ones have been violated. The choice to remove his code from my system is an easy one.

What is unfortunate is the lack of a good, reasonably complex and lengthy tech mod to fill the void. Until that one comes along, written by a trustworthy and talented coder who isn't a raging douchebag, I fear my worlds will be a little less interesting.

Yes, yes, and yes. This is the perfect post. :3

 

[Dee_Twenty]

Exactly as with the GT-addon mod you specifically have to decide to use GT and accept whatever stuff it adds (or reconfigure what can be). If you don't like some of the changes the mod makes, too bad, but you can't force your opinion on the modder. I'm sure there are many other mods people don't use either because they don't like the changes they make (easydiamonds, anyone?)

By the same merit you have to specifically decide to use Tinkers Construct and accept whatever stuff it adds, don't want to have Greg's ridiculous plank nerf de-nerfed? Don't install Tinkers Construct, because you can't force your opinion on mDiyo, except that's exactly what Greg decided to do when he decided to throw a tantrum and inject malicious code into his mod.

 

[Hoho]

For the N'th time now, I've never said crashing was justified.

Overriding something that does have a config option for reaching exactly the same result as what you try to reach without you yourself providing an option to turn that off is a whole different thing. Not to mention mDyio never even mentioned he added the change in the first place while greg hasn't been making any of the change he's made a secret.

 

[EternalDensity]

Well they can't anymore so there's no real point in doing so. But iron, steel, bronze, tungsten, gold, aluminum, chrome, titanium, and iridium were on the list.

Oh and TiCo metals of course.

ChickenChunks?

WUTT?
How else will I keep my remake of Ragnarok Online's Labyrinth Forest's teleporter MFSUs charged?!

Sorry that was an in-joke from another thread.

 

[Lawbroken]

-snip-

I love you.
That is all.

Moderators are watching this thread by the way so remember to keep to the rules. =)

 

[RedBoss]

Sengir destroyed users world without any way to restore them just for them having MC installed on "wrong" file path. Many servers/users had problems even if they didn't use tekkit per se and just reused the installation directory. That is significantly bigger thing than crashing the game.

There is no valid reason to justify sengir that can't be used for greg. Both added code to inconvenience end-users, just one went the extra mile and actually destroyed their stuff.

People with far greater credibility than you have stated otherwise. So for the sake of increasing your credibility, please show evidence of your claim or stop making it.

 

[CrissHill]

People with far greater credibility than you have stated otherwise. So for the sake of increasing your credibility, please show evidence of your claim or stop making it.

Really? I was under the impression that Sengir actually did that to tekkit.

(Not that it really should make a difference on this topic)

 

[Hoho]

People with far greater credibility than you have stated otherwise.

Can you cite evidence for that?
Citing evidence of something not having happened is like proving god doesn't exist. Or would it be good enough to link some posts from tekkit authors? Though truth to be told I'm not sure if they exist any longer or got cleaned up from their forums.

 

[SatanicSanta]

I love you.
That is all.

Moderators are watching this thread by the way so remember to keep to the rules. =)

This makes me feel comfortable, this post makes me feel like I'm not the only one who got warned for this thread. Soooorry about that.

 

[lolpierandom]

The fact that enough people feel it necessary for pre-modified configs to exist at all illustrates why a simple blanket on/off option in the config is necessary.

It's like you're implying he would be sane enough to do that.

God forbid people change from his precious standard configs. Don't like his shitty 3+1= 1 or 2 math? Have fun, now you have infinite bronze and I'm a spoiled child so I can't fix an "exploit" for you.

The same goes with many of his other nerfs.

The fact is Greg wants everyone who uses his mod to play how he does.

Can you cite evidence for that?

Citing evidence of something not having happened is like giving an example of proving god doesn't exist. Or would it be good enough to link some posts from tekkit authors? Though truth to be told I'm not sure if they exist any longer or got cleaned up from their forums.

Sengir involved the Tekkit userbase because they, along with the pack authors, were the original ones challenging him to try to pull something.

So, he did.

I don't neccessarily agree with what he did, but people told him to do something, and he did.

 

[CrissHill]

Sengir involved the Tekkit userbase because they, along with the pack authors, were the original ones challenging him to try to pull something.

So, he did.

I don't neccessarily agree with what he did, but people told him to do something, and he did.

You can say the same thing about this incident (mdiyo challenging Greg to do something).

It's not an excuse though.