I'm pretty sure next "ultimate" pack will feature versions with GT and without it... Atleast the 1.52 packs do.. also the "Main pack" in the FTB launcher is just based on usage statistics... the most played one displays at top.
Gregtech deliberately crashing client if TC installed..
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I'm pretty sure next "ultimate" pack will feature versions with GT and without it... Atleast the 1.52 packs do.. also the "Main pack" in the FTB launcher is just based on usage statistics... the most played one displays at top.
Yeah GT said he left it in there in case there were any other "attacks" from mDiyo on the IC2 Forums or something like that. Lol.
It's a pity that emperor greg has a cactus for a chair. I think the mod's fantastic but frankly, that kind of behavior is entirely over the top.
One thing that should be probable at least...Gregorius won't go too far over the line (at least not for long) if the users get so annoyed they leave his mod behind and it is likely to lose FTB support. He likes attention, good or bad, by what I do perceive. I wasn't around during the flowerchild fiasco, but Greg does seem to maintain SOME reason, even if he has rather wonky tantrums like this.
Separate yourself from it a moment, remember how inconsequential such reactions are, and it's really pretty hilarious.
One thing that should be probable at least...Gregorius won't go too far over the line (at least not for long) if the users get so annoyed they leave his mod behind and it is likely to lose FTB support. He likes attention, good or bad, by what I do perceive. I wasn't around during the flowerchild fiasco, but Greg does seem to maintain SOME reason, even if he has rather wonky tantrums like this.
Separate yourself from it a moment, remember how inconsequential such reactions are, and it's really pretty hilarious.
It's a pity that emperor greg has a cactus for a chair. I think the mod's fantastic but frankly, that kind of behavior is entirely over the top.
One thing that should be probable at least...Gregorius won't go too far over the line (at least not for long) if the users get so annoyed they leave his mod behind and it is likely to lose FTB support. He likes attention, good or bad, by what I do perceive. I wasn't around during the flowerchild fiasco, but Greg does seem to maintain SOME reason, even if he has rather wonky tantrums like this.
Separate yourself from it a moment, remember how inconsequential such reactions are, and it's really pretty hilarious.
lol yeah. Greg indeed is very weird.. the pumpkin of shame that was stuck to mdiyo's head was a funny prank though
where is the tin bucket config in gregtech the scaffold? the bronze? the omni wrench?
I'm pretty sure that if Greg doesn't get his act together he will not be in any FTB pack at all.
I would think he'd be more creative about it though.
Remember Sengir added exploding bees if Technic launcher was detected for a time. Everything else was fine. Bees just left a crater.
Of course, with how much explosions already happen with GT, maybe nobody would've noticed?
Remember Sengir added exploding bees if Technic launcher was detected for a time. Everything else was fine. Bees just left a crater.
Of course, with how much explosions already happen with GT, maybe nobody would've noticed?
Is the person making the decision lenient or do you think Greg will actually be removed?
That's doubtful. He has a solid cult following.
That is the most bullshit excuse anyone could have come up with. I'm gonna use bold font, just so you can understand.
You cannot justify deliberately crashing the game because he does not agree with what another modder is doing. There is no justification for that!
Honestly, this whole Gtech vs mDiyo thing is just getting way out of hand. The design philosophies of the two mods are very different. Gtech believes in more complexity, TC believes in less complexity. I don't forsee many people using both mods, so the only individuals actually impacted by these purported changes are in that minority.
Quite bluntly, there's a simple solution here. Don't like what Gtech is doing? Don't use the mod. It's really that simple. If everyone who bellyaches about Gtech actually stopped using the mod and stopped bellyaching about it, then I suspect that Gtech would fade into obscurity rather rapidly. The ones who actually enjoy the mod would use it, the rest of us would ignore it, and the world would go on.
Quite bluntly, there's a simple solution here. Don't like what Gtech is doing? Don't use the mod. It's really that simple. If everyone who bellyaches about Gtech actually stopped using the mod and stopped bellyaching about it, then I suspect that Gtech would fade into obscurity rather rapidly. The ones who actually enjoy the mod would use it, the rest of us would ignore it, and the world would go on.
I remember hearing that they had a word with Sengir about his exploding bees before Forestry was included (don't ask for sources, my memory sucks) and exploding bees is nothing compared to crashing the client.
(i posted this in the other thread but moved it at the request of the other thread staying on its intended topic)
I've been silent on the issue of Gregtech for a long time, but I will not be anymore. In light of Greg adding code to crash the game, it has become a liability to FTB. There has been talk of other mods in FTB doing a similar thing regarding checking for a mod and if its present, crashing, but the mods that have those checks aren't included BY DEFAULT in a pack with the same mod that would cause a crash, as is the case with TiC and GT. It's an immature solution to a problem that wasn't a problem in the first place.
Honestly, I see no reason why he nerfed wood. Wood is not that valuable. Even in treefarms that are used to power boilers, most people I have seen are using a sawmill (TE) to cut the logs into wood, which completely bypasses the nerf in question. I honestly don't think MDiyo did anything wrong by circumventing Greg's nerf. I don't believe he changed any of Greg's code, but simply did what Greg himself does regarding numerous other mods. Now if he had changed Greg's code, that would be a different story. Greg's reasoning for nerfing wood simply holds no water.
On to my next point, I don't think Greg realizes that this nerf has a ripple effect not only on Vanilla, not only on his mod, but on other mods that have absolutely nothing to do with Gregtech or IC2, for example, TiC. To make the patterns in TiC you need two sticks and two planks for one pattern. One non-nerfed log would give you four planks. You then take two planks and get four sticks. That gives you one pattern and two sticks left over. One nerfed log gives you two planks, you then need another log to get two planks which gets created into two sticks (which I heard he also nerfed, but may not be true. So for one pattern, you need one log +2 leftover sticks vs. two logs (+2 sticks extra if that stick nerf is untrue). That's a significant change for early game TiC. That's only one example of that ripple effect, there's way too many for anyone to ever list.
I think the 1 log -> 4 planks is the one Minecraft mechanic that should never be changed due to a single mod, at least in a modpack, because of the huge domino effect and indirect "nerfs" it causes for other mods. Imo, no single mod has a right to do that.
I've been silent on the issue of Gregtech for a long time, but I will not be anymore. In light of Greg adding code to crash the game, it has become a liability to FTB. There has been talk of other mods in FTB doing a similar thing regarding checking for a mod and if its present, crashing, but the mods that have those checks aren't included BY DEFAULT in a pack with the same mod that would cause a crash, as is the case with TiC and GT. It's an immature solution to a problem that wasn't a problem in the first place.
Honestly, I see no reason why he nerfed wood. Wood is not that valuable. Even in treefarms that are used to power boilers, most people I have seen are using a sawmill (TE) to cut the logs into wood, which completely bypasses the nerf in question. I honestly don't think MDiyo did anything wrong by circumventing Greg's nerf. I don't believe he changed any of Greg's code, but simply did what Greg himself does regarding numerous other mods. Now if he had changed Greg's code, that would be a different story. Greg's reasoning for nerfing wood simply holds no water.
On to my next point, I don't think Greg realizes that this nerf has a ripple effect not only on Vanilla, not only on his mod, but on other mods that have absolutely nothing to do with Gregtech or IC2, for example, TiC. To make the patterns in TiC you need two sticks and two planks for one pattern. One non-nerfed log would give you four planks. You then take two planks and get four sticks. That gives you one pattern and two sticks left over. One nerfed log gives you two planks, you then need another log to get two planks which gets created into two sticks (which I heard he also nerfed, but may not be true. So for one pattern, you need one log +2 leftover sticks vs. two logs (+2 sticks extra if that stick nerf is untrue). That's a significant change for early game TiC. That's only one example of that ripple effect, there's way too many for anyone to ever list.
I think the 1 log -> 4 planks is the one Minecraft mechanic that should never be changed due to a single mod, at least in a modpack, because of the huge domino effect and indirect "nerfs" it causes for other mods. Imo, no single mod has a right to do that.
Individual people may not use both mods, but both mods appear in the same FTB pack. Only one of the mods interferes with other mods though.
On the other hand, you're simply wrong. Really, everybody on our server uses both (or uses Dartcraft instead of Tinkers, which is even less complex)[DOUBLEPOST=1374090278][/DOUBLEPOST]
It's simple. He nerfed wood because nobody ever builds his sawmill.
Someone asked greg "is the pumpkin of shame another black list of players, getting a funny prank if they join?"
and he responds with "Yeah kinda. The best is, the Players can actually disable it in the Config, but have to toggle about 42 Configs (and restart MC each time to generate the next Config) before being successful in disabling them. That Config however works only on the Client it is used on. Other people in SMP can still see that Pumpkin."
He seems to have a lot of hate. Therapy is great, more people should try it.
and he responds with "Yeah kinda. The best is, the Players can actually disable it in the Config, but have to toggle about 42 Configs (and restart MC each time to generate the next Config) before being successful in disabling them. That Config however works only on the Client it is used on. Other people in SMP can still see that Pumpkin."
He seems to have a lot of hate. Therapy is great, more people should try it.
Greg may be immature, but comparing him to FlowerChild is an exercise in exaggeration for effect at best. Sure, Greg has done some very immature things, but that's nothing compared to some of the antics of FlowerChild.If he continues in the direction he is heading, he may some day approach that level of immaturity, but he's still got a long way to go to hit that benchmark.
Quite frankly, Greg has the right to do whatever he wants to do with his mod. If he wants his mod to be incompatible with TC... well, that's his choice. Setting up a crash code is exceedingly immature, not to mention detrimental to the user-base, but it's his option to do so. Just as it is our option to decide that you'd rather play with TC than GT and drop GT. Or it is your option to prefer GT over TC, and drop TC.
What Greg is doing is polarizing the topic. Or rather, polarizing it even further. That rarely turns out well for the one triggering the polarization. Those who prefer GT over TC will continue to prefer GT over TC. Those who prefer TC over GT are still going to prefer TC over GT. It isn't going to make people suddenly decide to use GT over TC, all he is doing is pissing off otherwise neutral parties.
Quite frankly, Greg has the right to do whatever he wants to do with his mod. If he wants his mod to be incompatible with TC... well, that's his choice. Setting up a crash code is exceedingly immature, not to mention detrimental to the user-base, but it's his option to do so. Just as it is our option to decide that you'd rather play with TC than GT and drop GT. Or it is your option to prefer GT over TC, and drop TC.
What Greg is doing is polarizing the topic. Or rather, polarizing it even further. That rarely turns out well for the one triggering the polarization. Those who prefer GT over TC will continue to prefer GT over TC. Those who prefer TC over GT are still going to prefer TC over GT. It isn't going to make people suddenly decide to use GT over TC, all he is doing is pissing off otherwise neutral parties.
Try it. It does not mean that 3+1=4
To add to the list though:
Where's the config to return machine block, re battery, circuits, etc to base-IC2 standard (i.e., not requiring plates)
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