Interesting that you read that into it. I did not mean to imply anything about slavish devotion. I meant exactly what I said, I do not mince words. You have not justified why this request should be honored and others might not need to. As such I assumed it applies in all similar situations. I then presented a similar situation out in the real world, which you have yet to respond to. I do not care to watch what someone else has to say about the issue, I am discussing it with you. If you are incapable of communicating your own ideas and instead are simply pointing to other people who you feel say what you are thinking, then odds are you are not thinking it at all, but are instead simply parroting what other people are thinking. Please prove this is not the case by defining your ideas and defending them.
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Interesting that you read that into it. I did not mean to imply anything about slavish devotion. I meant exactly what I said, I do not mince words. You have not justified why this request should be honored and others might not need to. As such I assumed it applies in all similar situations. I then presented a similar situation out in the real world, which you have yet to respond to. I do not care to watch what someone else has to say about the issue, I am discussing it with you. If you are incapable of communicating your own ideas and instead are simply pointing to other people who you feel say what you are thinking, then odds are you are not thinking it at all, but are instead simply parroting what other people are thinking. Please prove this is not the case by defining your ideas and defending them.
We're probably way past the point where this thread is productive. What it ultimately evolved into was a three-way battle between the Eloraam Protectionist Society, The Gregorius Monks, and The People Who Like To Build Stuff. The battle-lines are fluid and not well-drawn, and no one really knows what anyone else is actually saying: this thread is way too muddled to actually hold a conversation.
Which is too bad because I think some folks have interesting and cogent things to say.
Which is too bad because I think some folks have interesting and cogent things to say.
Did you just say that you don't like minecraft and that people who do lead a sad existence?
did you read the part of my hypothetical situation where my mod's experience was altered by someone else, and i would be responding by doing the same to them? you say i'm the vandal, spreading malware, and a criminal?
the words you have typed show either an unwillingness to read an entire, brief, post or a disposition for blaming the victim. in other words, you make no sense.
To be honest, 50% of this mess of a thread is two people who really don't understand what reflection is endlessly claiming Greg is evil for using it. Based on random feeling.
If you remove /that/ you get half random hashtags and assorted spams.
Remove THAT and you find the usual greg bashing and some sensible comments.
This thread is /less/ productive then the average Greg bashing thread at this point ^^'
If you remove /that/ you get half random hashtags and assorted spams.
Remove THAT and you find the usual greg bashing and some sensible comments.
This thread is /less/ productive then the average Greg bashing thread at this point ^^'
That's very subjective. To some the greg bashing IS the sensible comments whereas the gregdefenceforce101 is the silly party.
I think both parties have a point.
Depends, if you don't like gregtech then... Is like eating icecream, chocolate, being rich and have 20 hot women arround you.
Yes, I read it. You don't gain rights to destroy things just because somebody plays the game in a manner you don't like. A user installs a mod that modifies your mod. They've made a choice to do so. The user is the only, final, and ultimate decision maker in what their game experience will be. This includes changing the game experience provided by your mod in any manner they choose.
Since nobody would actually install your mod if you admitted up front that you would destroy their game, as you proposed, you would have to make the change unannounced. Such an act would be equivalent to a trojan horse, and be subject to criminal charges in many jurisdictions including the US, EU, and UK.
If you do like GT, on the other hand... it gets a bit rage-inducing after a while.
1. as a creator of my own property, it is my decision alone what the experience of my creation is. nowhere in the civilized world is it acceptable to hijack another's work. if i think your music sucks, and i surreptitiously alter it to my liking, not for my own consumption but for all and without notification, consent or a means of undoing my damage, how is that possibly ok?
2. you repeatedly take the position that the first to attack is in the right, and a similar response is wrong.
3. trojan precedent has been set. i look forward to your bringing charges against sirsengir.
4. i can only conclude you are either an imbecile or are contrarian for entertainment. either way, i'm done being trolled. adios!
You honestly think that releasing an optional addition that does exactly what it says it does is an attack? And somehow as bad or worse than secretly modifying the interaction to the point of breaking intended behavior? You have a really odd way of looking at things. Are you one of those guys that thinks I should go to jail for playing legal media files in a homebrew media player on my Nintendo Wii?
I loved the Necro. I did this weird bone spear build with all the caster speed I could get. It was like a bone uzi.
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Na. I'm in the like GT camp and I just find the whole torch and picthfork waving to be endlessly amusing.
I relized awhile back that much like everything else on the intertubes some folks just like to flame so it is beter to make your atempt at logic and when that fails make popcorn and watch.
if modder x alters my property or the experience it creates without my permission, yes that is certainly an attack.
are you comprehending that is exactly what is being done by modder x to me in the first place? i guess not.
what you do for personal use is your problem. when you impose your will on others (e.g. altering all media players on all consoles, none of which you own) then yes, it's FMITAP for you.
Er, installing a modification gives implied permission to the modification to modify your game. (Plus, if I remember correctly and we're talking about Tin Buckets, if you're that desperate, just install a recipe adder mod and add in Tin Buckets that way.)
Does Greg bundle his mod mandatorily with IC2? That would be the equivalent of modifying other peoples' media players on their own console remotely.
A while back a point was made that Railcraft alters the vanilla recipe and why is that ok when Greg altering Redpower isn't. And, yeah I'm just gonna disregard all the bullshit that's gone on since then and just say: Mojang is okay with people modifying their game, mods have only increased the popularity and brought more sales to Mojang.
Mojang gives permission for others to modify their game.
Eloraam has not given permission for others to edit her mod.
When someone modifies a game, it does NOT give implied permission to modify that mod, why the hell would it and where did you get such a convoluted idea from?
Mojang gives permission for others to modify their game.
Eloraam has not given permission for others to edit her mod.
When someone modifies a game, it does NOT give implied permission to modify that mod, why the hell would it and where did you get such a convoluted idea from?
I'm not gonna keep going back and forth, but I wish we could at least agree that no one is "editing Eloraam's mod" in this case. The player's experience is being edited, but Eloraam's copyrighted material is not altered. I only say this because the later is clearly both illegal and unethical.
The former is the subject of this discussion, and it's something akin to "tainting the well" to use the same words for different things. At the very best, it's imprecise. At worst, it's an outright disingenuous way to try and confuse the discussion.
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