Ampz + Ultimate = AWESOMENESS

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KirinDave

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Enigmius1 said:
I'm noticing a trend with you. It doesn't matter what is being discussed, for you the world revolves around RR. I'm talking about another mod pack being merged with the FTB Ultimate pack
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It was relevant because Ampz + Ultimate is basically exactly what I did, with a few tweaks. Sorry, was that not clear? My post record is pretty clear, for people who want to accuse me of being constantly off-topic in the forum. I think you will find I am not, if you cared to look.

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I didn't make any mention whatsoever of "good enough". I said you don't have people who push mods to their limit. Finding bugs is not pushing to their limit. Because if you did have people pushing mods to their limit, you'd know that there are a lot more than 4 in the Ultimate pack that are problematic. Oh wait, but you've decided this thread is about RR, not the Ultimate pack. Damn us for having the audacity to discuss an FTB pack in an FTB forum.
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Did we... not just have a discussion about the state of 1.6? And did you just say you abandoned FTB Ultimate until the 1.6 release so, in effect, you're excoriating yourself for discussing your own modpack?

I have no idea what we're talking about anymore, I guess. It's probably best to end it.

Enigmius1 said:
You've demonstrated time and again you're not up to the task of discussing anything rationally.
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Curse me and my offerings of months of hard data, hundreds of hours of playtesting, linking directly to active bug reports for mods in Ampz, and for suggesting a strategy that you yourself already agreed with! I am being difficult. I don't know what I am talking about because I do not "pump it to the max" or whatever euphemism we're using for, I dunno... I still don't know what you mean by "pushing it."

And let me offer you a kindness you offered me: I'll leave your final word here for everyone to ruminate on.

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Good luck with your pack...someday your balls will drop and you'll be able to discuss with your big boy pants on.
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Wow... just gotta say Dave, it may have taken me about a week and a half to get all of RR running, but I've now got your 0.9.0 all sorted and working nicely and I have to say, it is the most fun I've ever had playing minecraft. So thanks for all the hard work you've put in and I dearly hope you get the permissions you need for RR to be included in the FTB launcher :)
 
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Is attempting to fill MFR DSU's with 2 billion of every item pushing the mods to there limits? And I don't mean 2 bil cobble, 2 bil dirt, I mean 2 bil gravichestplates, 2 bil diamond ore, 2 bil pink slimeballs, etc. Or is it that I am trying to do it with only turtles? Like, log-on-once-make-a-mining-turtle-and-a-crafting-turtle-both-with-chunkloaders-and-leave-and-come-back-in-a-year.

EDIT: Also, I would download software onto them, not just leave them and see if they gain artificial intelligence.
 
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The one disadvantage to G+ I've found is that it's VERY hard to track down old posts, particularly if they were made in a comment, due to having no search.
The fact that its your Google account name may put some people off, who don't want people knowing who they are.

And wouldn't something like free forum.com be a shot alternative Bellabzug? I could be completely off here though.
 
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It's hilarious to watch someone extolling pompous generalities and then side step cold hard facts when they are presented.

Senatorial level evasion Sir.
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Myeah, Enigmius1 has demonstrated time and again that he's not up to the task of discussing anything rationally. The second he feels the least bit threatened... which happens fast with thin skinned folks such as himself... all objectivity goes out the window and he's full-on defensive mode until people get sick of him and put him on ignore.

Really though, I am always amazed to seem him twist and turn this and that way, rationalize every of his emotional kneejerk responses, shoot general nay-say without rhyme or reason, help himself plentifully with weasel words and fallacies, and ultimately call someone dumb, unable to discuss things rationally and call it a "V for victory, I'm walking away".

I'm really noticing a strong trend with Enigmius1 here.... It doesn't matter what is being discussed, everything he says seems to revolve around himself, his eloquence, and his "superior" opinions, based on - obviously - his superior intelligence.

Which let's face isn't as high as he has convinced himself to be, otherwise he wouldn't try to "end" a discussion the very same way every time.
 
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natnif36 said:
The one disadvantage to G+ I've found is that it's VERY hard to track down old posts, particularly if they were made in a comment, due to having no search.
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Theres a search box in the bar on the left, right by the different categories.
 
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Offtopic, but jeez, I hate that G+ layout. It initially looks all over the place. I think I'm old fashioned and prefer the forum layout :D

Offtopic (kinda), but what problems were discovered with Dimensional Doors? Got a mod pack in the works that I want to make the config available for (like RR), and I'm including Dimensional Doors. If there are big problems, then I'd need to think about removing it.
 
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I'm noticing a trend with you. It doesn't matter what is being discussed, for you the world revolves around RR. I'm talking about another mod pack being merged with the FTB Ultimate pack and now it's all about RR and the RR testers and blah blah blah. I've got no patience for the "rah rah dorkrage don't pick on my friends" BS, especially when you're twisting words. I didn't make any mention whatsoever of "good enough". I said you don't have people who push mods to their limit. Finding bugs is not pushing to their limit. Because if you did have people pushing mods to their limit, you'd know that there are a lot more than 4 in the Ultimate pack that are problematic. Oh wait, but you've decided this thread is about RR, not the Ultimate pack. Damn us for having the audacity to discuss an FTB pack in an FTB forum.

I'm about done with you. You've demonstrated time and again you're not up to the task of discussing anything rationally. The second you feel the least bit threatened...which happens fast with thin skinned folks such as yourself...all objectivity goes out the window and you're full-on defensive mode until people get sick of you. I'm not sick of you...I'm just deciding to walk away before I get sick of you. Good luck with your pack..{redacted name-calling}
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I have no investment in this argument whatsoever, but I did want to comment upon your attitude, which, if you'll forgive my crudeness, sucks donkey balls. You made an assertion, KirinDave disagreed and supported his argument with facts, you ignored his facts and repeated your assertion while mixing in a few ad hominems, then threw a temper tantrum when he pointed that out. I don't know why you're so convinced that mod count is positively correlated with technical issues, or why the discussion triggers the kind of snide contempt you've displayed here. But I think you should either treat people with a modicum of common courtesy, or hold your peace.
 
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I have no investment in this argument whatsoever, but I did want to comment upon your attitude, which, if you'll forgive my crudeness, sucks donkey balls. You made an assertion, KirinDave disagreed and supported his argument with facts, you ignored his facts and repeated your assertion while mixing in a few ad hominems, then threw a temper tantrum when he pointed that out. I don't know why you're so convinced that mod count is positively correlated with technical issues, or why the discussion triggers the kind of snide contempt you've displayed here. But I think you should either treat people with a modicum of common courtesy, or hold your peace.
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I made an assertion, and he responded with irrelevant facts. I've explained my point of view, and the hours I've spent diagnosing problems in the Ultimate pack as it stands without even more mods added in to compound the issue. What more should I have to say? Why should I have to repeat myself three times knowing full well that people didn't grasp it the first time and are going to continue to miss/ignore it the third time? Fanbois and flunkies defending their pal aside, it's not a complicated issue to understand. The Ultimate pack has a number of mods that can bring the client to a stuttering halt. Some of them do so through bugs, others just by gobbling and undue amount of processing bandwidth. When you're already in that kind of position, adding more to the pack makes no sense. Was the complicated? If you don't get it, should I feel compelled to politely explain it to you two or three more times like you're 3 years old? No? Then don't defend people who are too invested in their own agenda to recognize and grasp simple concepts. The OP asked a question. I answered with my point of view.
 
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Let me be clear. I actually agree with the basic point: lots more mods in a pack does increase its complexity and it becomes much harder to balance. I can see why historically the FTB folks have been hesitant to let the UE mods into Ultimate. Issues of redundancy and memory usage are real.

From a practical, post-experimental point of view, I do not think the 1.5.2 pack is actually at the point of technical limitation. I do not think anyone here has provided credible and real evidence that we are, and I feel like what I can present is quite to the contrary.

However, I will confess that we've all agonized over power and machine balance. In particular, DoctorOr, Velotician, (and to a lesser but notable extent PonyKuu & Freakscar) and I all go back and forth a lot on a few threads about power generation balance and what we can do given the tools we have. This is a constant discussion and source of tweaking, and one I can see a modpack being hesitant to embrace.
 
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KirinDave said:
Let me be clear. I actually agree with the basic point: lots more mods in a pack does increase its complexity and it becomes much harder to balance. I can see why historically the FTB folks have been hesitant to let the UE mods into Ultimate. Issues of redundancy and memory usage are real.

From a practical, post-experimental point of view, I do not think the 1.5.2 pack is actually at the point of technical limitation. I do not think anyone here has provided credible and real evidence that we are, and I feel like what I can present is quite to the contrary.

However, I will confess that we've all agonized over power and machine balance. In particular, DoctorOr, Velotician, (and to a lesser but notable extent PonyKuu & Freakscar) and I all go back and forth a lot on a few threads about power generation balance and what we can do given the tools we have. This is a constant discussion and source of tweaking, and one I can see a modpack being hesitant to embrace.
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There is no 1.5.2 Ultimate pack. Regardless of what you might think you can present, if it's not related to what we currently have it's not relevant to the discussion.
 
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KirinDave said:
Let me be clear. I actually agree with the basic point: lots more mods in a pack does increase its complexity and it becomes much harder to balance. I can see why historically the FTB folks have been hesitant to let the UE mods into Ultimate. Issues of redundancy and memory usage are real.

From a practical, post-experimental point of view, I do not think the 1.5.2 pack is actually at the point of technical limitation. I do not think anyone here has provided credible and real evidence that we are, and I feel like what I can present is quite to the contrary.

However, I will confess that we've all agonized over power and machine balance. In particular, DoctorOr, Velotician, (and to a lesser but notable extent PonyKuu & Freakscar) and I all go back and forth a lot on a few threads about power generation balance and what we can do given the tools we have. This is a constant discussion and source of tweaking, and one I can see a modpack being hesitant to embrace.
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i had better performance with RR than i did with ftb 0.7. i got over 120 fps on my laptop! can't wait to get home to see the frame rate on my desktop.
 
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Enigmius1 said:
That's not the Ultimate pack, nor is it a beta for the Ultimate pack. We were told very specifically that the beta packs are independent of any other packs.

There is no 1.5.2 Ultimate pack.
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there never will be a 1.5.2 ultimate pack... they have said so
 
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The way I see it, the OP is asking for Ultimate + Ampz... that makes it nether ultimate OR ampz.. so Enigmius your assertion that this discussion must relate solely to Ultimate is baseless. Kirindave HAS MADE a very successful pack with the mods from both Ultimate and Ampz (more up to date ones at that) so in any sane persons mind, he is far more qualified to talk about the issues that may arise than you.. who plays ultimate/made his own pack. You're shouting from a pedestal of sand and expecting it to hold your weight... as anyone who has read this thread can see, you're sinking fast. Your opinion in this is holding very little water.
 
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