Agrarian Skys help, venting, and discussion thread

[Jin]

So. . .purple dye. . . Are Bees the only efficient option?

Bees are the way to go here. With production upgrades in a gendustry industrial apiary you can get a dye per bee and bee cycle (27.5 seconds).
I'd suggest making red and blue dyes though, as you are more flexible. For the purple wool, you could dye sheep directly, which saves you about 1250 dyes.

Don't be scared of bees. With gendustry, it's quite straightforward. Get Doctoral, Aer, Robust and some of the standard Bees to extract their best features, make a super-bee template and put it on your bees. Put them in industrial apiaries with up to 8 production upgrades and an automation upgrade and they'll generate ressources en masse.
They're also the seemingly fastest way to get diamonds (Diamandi Bees), ender pearls (Winsome bees) and Thaumcraft shards.

 

[ratchet freak]

even just having the bees spread the flowers will help to get the purple die

 

[Jin]

Get a few initial purple dye. Then dye some sheep and breed them, rancher to shear them then pulverize the wool for a 5% chance of dye. Not quite as efficient as bees, but way better than bonemealing grass.

That's also an option. Can be combined with the meat quest, as you'll need to kill about 16k mobs. So, make a 3 stage mob farm, 1 pen for breeding, one for growing up, 1 for killing. Shear the sheep in the 3rd pen before you kill them (by only activating the slaughterhouse if there are 15 mobs in the pen.)

 

[twisto51]

It is much easier to just autospawn cows for the liquid meat quest. Much easier and much quicker than breeder/chronotyper. Figure most people are going to have their mob grinder running indefinitely, plenty of mob essence to go around.

 

[Drawde]

Limestone can be had by sifting. I think Rudite can be found in the nether.

Hard plastic is not attainable in AS.

The most recent version of Mariculture allows you to use ethanol to make hard plastic. I believe that's the last 1.6 version.

 

[Hito_]

Bees are the way to go here. With production upgrades in a gendustry industrial apiary you can get a dye per bee and bee cycle (27.5 seconds).
I'd suggest making red and blue dyes though, as you are more flexible. For the purple wool, you could dye sheep directly, which saves you about 1250 dyes.

Don't be scared of bees. With gendustry, it's quite straightforward. Get Doctoral, Aer, Robust and some of the standard Bees to extract their best features, make a super-bee template and put it on your bees. Put them in industrial apiaries with up to 8 production upgrades and an automation upgrade and they'll generate ressources en masse.
They're also the seemingly fastest way to get diamonds (Diamandi Bees), ender pearls (Winsome bees) and Thaumcraft shards.

Thanks. Not really scared of bees, as we have a "Bee-nius" in our group playthrough. I was just curious if there were other options. If there was a nice way to get roses then I would go the Rose Red + Lapis route (ive got about 18k Lapis)

 

[Hoff]

It is much easier to just autospawn cows for the liquid meat quest. Much easier and much quicker than breeder/chronotyper. Figure most people are going to have their mob grinder running indefinitely, plenty of mob essence to go around.

Only half effective. Use the slaughter house on your mob farm.

 

[MiniMoggie]

Can you not get cobalt and ardite sifting soul sand? I've had 4 sifters operating for ages now: one for gravel, one for sand, one for dust and one for soul sand and I've not had any cobalt or ardite.

 

[SynysterBear]

Can you not get cobalt and ardite sifting soul sand? I've had 4 sifters operating for ages now: one for gravel, one for sand, one for dust and one for soul sand and I've not had any cobalt or ardite.

You can but they are extremely rare and come in the 'pieces' variant.

 

[twisto51]

Only half effective. Use the slaughter house on your mob farm.

I don't want to rebuild my mob farm though. It is a building in the middle of nowhere with cursed earth and 5 grinders and 5 tesseracts, a lights-out facility lol. Easy enough to just swap out the grinder for a slaughterhouse on my on-demand grinder that I use for one-off jobs like blizzes, witherskells, slimes, etc.

 

[Adonis0]

One of my nodes is unstable, that means it's vis will not recover, right? Means one of my 6 vis types is limited and I'll have to sort out other sources?

This wasn't answered before, a fading node is one that won't recover its vis, an unstable node will every now and again change the vis composition of itself. So say for instance it's a 30 Fire/air, it could change to be a 30 Fire/limus all of a sudden

 

[Hoff]

Can you not get cobalt and ardite sifting soul sand? I've had 4 sifters operating for ages now: one for gravel, one for sand, one for dust and one for soul sand and I've not had any cobalt or ardite.

You can but they are extremely rare and come in the 'pieces' variant.

You actually can't get them in the latest versions of Ex Aliquo. It's bugged but the author knows about it.

I don't want to rebuild my mob farm though. It is a building in the middle of nowhere with cursed earth and 5 grinders and 5 tesseracts, a lights-out facility lol. Easy enough to just swap out the grinder for a slaughterhouse on my on-demand grinder that I use for one-off jobs like blizzes, witherskells, slimes, etc.

Fair enough I guess

 

[DrowElf]

And then goodbye, until the odds land just right, to my only source of Air vis for my wands.
This the, to me, important question of other ways to charge wands. I know I can kill things. Just get the right mob and kill it for a point. Air is sheep, aqua on squid, undead have chaos, blaze have fire.

Just make a standard 20 block Mariculture geyser mob tower that kills with an Autonomous Activator holding a scythe. I have mine set up so that I can turn it off (the roof is made of Advanced Drawbridges) so that I can go in and collect the Aspect orbs. I get all the aspects without needing to keep track of what I need to kill.

It's a shame that none of the ways I remember seem to give points to wands or tables anymore. Crystal clusters are now only stability boosts.?

Actually they provide ghost points which act as a bonus research point randomly. You can also get them from bookshelves.

 

[DrowElf]

"standard 20 block" ... got a guide?

What do you mean "ghost points" and where's the info on it?

20 blocks is a standard height for dropping mobs to near death so that they need 1 hit to die. You build a 5x5 hollow tower (3x3 hole in the center) 20 blocks high, at the top you have a 16x16x4 dark room so that no endermen can spawn. Then you make a ring of Mariculture geysers facing inwards fueled by aqueous accumulators to push all the mobs towards the hole. After that, the design varies depending on your tech level. I was lucky enough to get 16 Advanced Drawbridges in a Reward bag, so I used them to make the tower to be turned off. You can have slabs and trap doors so that you can kill mobs and get in without any problems. Later you can upgrade to an autonomous activator with a scythe and a vacuum hopper collecting drops and XP (which needs to be stored in tanks) or a MFR grinder.

As for ghost points, it is written about somewhere, I just don't have a clue where that is. Might as well call on the local TC expert. *pokes @Succubism *

 

[Adonis0]

Ghost points: Also known as bonus points

The research table will generate these based on blocks placed around the table. There can only ever be one and only one bonus point (Per table) per aspect.

You can tell if you have one by the shiny spot in the top right of the aspect image in the research table.
To use your ghost point, you must use up every other point you have of that aspect type as it is the last point to be accessed. Thus this gives you a slow source of a particular research point. It is recommended to not depend on these as they are slow.

 

[MrCervelo]

There are nodes at low level, about 10 or so. I copied my world for some creative testing and went for a flight down there. Quite a few nodes. Problem for me is that at least one of them is hungry.

 

[Hoff]

There are nodes at low level, about 10 or so. I copied my world for some creative testing and went for a flight down there. Quite a few nodes. Problem for me is that at least one of them is hungry.

But aren't those the best nodes? Feed it All-The-Things™

 

[Adonis0]

Unless they are more then 2 chunks from the start point, they are there in 'home sweet home' but not 'flat platform'[DOUBLEPOST=1399950247][/DOUBLEPOST]

So, if the aspect you need happens to be made out of 2 of a primal, you'll have to dissemble to get it, as you'll never get it from ghost points.

You can. bookshelves give all types, but because they give all types it's even slower to get the one you want because you can't target it

 

[MrCervelo]

Unless they are more then 2 chunks from the start point, they are there in 'home sweet home' but not 'flat platform'

I'm in Flat Platform, copy your world (may have to do it at the file system), go creative, give yourself goggles of reavealing and take a flight.

 

[Crumbology]

I was initially struggling for aer also, so started blood magic, sacrificing villagers is a great way to charge wands with aer(and a couple of other aspects that I can't remember off the top of my head), ah multitasking ftw.

The ghost points can be a bit weird, I had an aer crystal set up and still got nothing until I broke and replaced the research table.