[1.7.10] Marooned

[Spaman]

Im not sure if its just me but being in utility mode has the same effect as being in cheat mode as in each time i click in utility mode it just send the items to my inventory. hopefully this fixes itself in the new update if not i can always mess around with the mods myself to see what is happening, also to note is centre click to auto rearrange chest function is not available and im led to belive this is from the same mod.

When I set it to Utility mode it only showed the recipe in 'greyed out' so I could simply fill in the grid with the corresponding items from my inventory. I did notice you could click on the item to the right and it would 'give' you the maximum of the item in your hand but not let you actually put it in your inventory. This I assumed was a part of the mod and as long as you couldn't just give yourself stuff, I was happy to go along with it. If this is not the case as you mention, then I'll endeavour to rectify it as cheating is not something I would want in our mod.

The auto arrange you speak of is from Inventory Tweeks which I will be including in the update. I did check to see if it had the '?' feature you spoke of and couldn't find it. That's when I rang SirJAH888 and he alerted me to the Utility Mode, something I wasn't familiar with as I personally don't believe in cheating my way through a game. I want Inventory Tweeks mainly for auto-refill but I did notice it also has 'centre' click for re-arranging your inventory and an ability to pre-determine where certain items can be prioritised in your grid.

Thanks for the heads up..........

 

[Magzie]

Ok i seen the post on this where it was anwsered but I am still confused...! I see that you put it in some ruins but the reason most people are most likely confused is the quest book says it grows in the wild next to water. Now i haven't seen water and i'm pretty sure it there isn't any with in a days journey or so. I would put it as an optional reward seeing as how all progress is closed until you stuble acrossed it. Other then that I am having a blast so far. I might just cheat 1 in just so I can start growing some. I'll check more ruins but i have check most around map 1 at my base and nothing. I mean i have farming quest to do and no real way to till.

 

[Magzie]

Also is it meant for there only to be one sieve recipe or are they all supposed to be disabled?

 

[ifrostyonme]

Ok i seen the post on this where it was anwsered but I am still confused...! I see that you put it in some ruins but the reason most people are most likely confused is the quest book says it grows in the wild next to water. Now i haven't seen water and i'm pretty sure it there isn't any with in a days journey or so. I would put it as an optional reward seeing as how all progress is closed until you stuble acrossed it. Other then that I am having a blast so far. I might just cheat 1 in just so I can start growing some. I'll check more ruins but i have check most around map 1 at my base and nothing. I mean i have farming quest to do and no real way to till.

Im not sure how far out you went it may just be a luck thing, once i had decided where to set up my base i walked a 300 radius ring around my base and checked every pond until eventually i found some. Also yes there is only 1 sieve recipe to slow progression, after a few started quests you get the ability to make the sieve.

When I set it to Utility mode it only showed the recipe in 'greyed out' so I could simply fill in the grid with the corresponding items from my inventory. I did notice you could click on the item to the right and it would 'give' you the maximum of the item in your hand but not let you actually put it in your inventory. This I assumed was a part of the mod and as long as you couldn't just give yourself stuff, I was happy to go along with it. If this is not the case as you mention, then I'll endeavour to rectify it as cheating is not something I would want in our mod.

The auto arrange you speak of is from Inventory Tweeks which I will be including in the update. I did check to see if it had the '?' feature you spoke of and couldn't find it. That's when I rang SirJAH888 and he alerted me to the Utility Mode, something I wasn't familiar with as I personally don't believe in cheating my way through a game. I want Inventory Tweeks mainly for auto-refill but I did notice it also has 'centre' click for re-arranging your inventory and an ability to pre-determine where certain items can be prioritised in your grid.

Thanks for the heads up..........

I managed to get the utility mode working by switching all the way through the modes and stopped back on recipe mode, not sure why or how or what but hey its working, i promise i didnt cheat anything in

 

[Magzie]

Im not sure how far out you went it may just be a luck thing, once i had decided where to set up my base i walked a 300 radius ring around my base and checked every pond until eventually i found some. Also yes there is only 1 sieve recipe to slow progression, after a few started quests you get the ability to make the sieve.



I managed to get the utility mode working by switching all the way through the modes and stopped back on recipe mode, not sure why or how or what but hey its working, i promise i didnt cheat anything in

I have been out from bewteen 600 to 1000 blocks in all directions. Nothing. I am on map 1 so it should be the same for everyone playing that map. I don't know which map you are on but there are no water ponds anywhere just the black and Brown liquids with no sugar cane.

 

[Spaman]

Hey everyone. Firstly let me start by letting you know we're in Australia so our time frames in many cases will be different. I think I may have misled a few people by saying cane is found in the wild next to water. I will rename it next to a LIQUID source in the update. I've put it next to sewage because 'A' I want you to get your own water and 'B' it lets new players know it will grow next to any liquid they happen to build their bases near. Sorry for the confusion, its amazing how often something sounds exactly right in my head until someone points out it can be interpreted differently.

A small heads up, you're unlikely to find cane growing in the naturally formed sludge and sewage ponds. The cane is actually growing next to much smaller sewage ponds that we made as a ruin.

Secondly and more importantly, We are about to release version 1.10 which will contain more cane sources with worlds that have varying depths of sand to give players a sort of difficulty choice. Also the easier worlds have a greater chance to spawn cane. The worlds have been made randomly and I've taken the time to travel around to make sure every world has cane within 500 blocks of the spawn point.

Its interesting how everyone seems to think you can't progress very far until you can make tools. For me, I prioritise getting the acacia seed reward from the ore berries challenge, because you can't get far without the sieve. But I hear your voices and as such will give everyone a sugar cane seed along with the acacia seed for completing the ore berry challenge. That way if you haven't found cane you at least are guaranteed of a way to get it. Hope this helps...

Cheers.............

 

[Spaman]

[QUOTE="ifrostyonme, post: 1528883, member: 303972" I managed to get the utility mode working by switching all the way through the modes and stopped back on recipe mode, not sure why or how or what but hey its working, i promise i didnt cheat anything in [/QUOTE]

Glad to hear it. Not sure why yours worked differently to mine. I'll try playing around with it too and see what I come up with. I'm heading down to SirJAH's place soon so he's bound to figure it out.

Cheers.........

 

[Shadow-]

Couple of questions.
1 - You said the easier worlds have a greater spawn of cane - Which worlds are the easy worlds? (Are you talking Difficulty level?)
2 - I'm playing world 3 and there is cane all over, the holdup for me is the acorn (oak Tree) I've sieved like 3 stacks of dirt.
3 - Also you mentioned 6 saves mine only downloaded 5...(not that is matters, just wondering.)

 

[Spaman]

Couple of questions.
1 - You said the easier worlds have a greater spawn of cane - Which worlds are the easy worlds? (Are you talking Difficulty level?)
2 - I'm playing world 3 and there is cane all over, the holdup for me is the acorn (oak Tree) I've sieved like 3 stacks of dirt.
3 - Also you mentioned 6 saves mine only downloaded 5...(not that is matters, just wondering.)

1: I mentioned the new updated worlds when version 1.1.0 is released will have greater rates of spawn chance. They also will have varying levels of sand which will change their difficulty level slightly.

2: The acorn challenge is actually an optional challenge so you can wait until you have plenty of dirt to use up trying to get an acorn.

3: The sixth save is the one where you 'create' a new game rather than playing one of the provided 5 saves.

 

[Magzie]

Hey everyone. Firstly let me start by letting you know we're in Australia so our time frames in many cases will be different. I think I may have misled a few people by saying cane is found in the wild next to water. I will rename it next to a LIQUID source in the update. I've put it next to sewage because 'A' I want you to get your own water and 'B' it lets new players know it will grow next to any liquid they happen to build their bases near. Sorry for the confusion, its amazing how often something sounds exactly right in my head until someone points out it can be interpreted differently.

A small heads up, you're unlikely to find cane growing in the naturally formed sludge and sewage ponds. The cane is actually growing next to much smaller sewage ponds that we made as a ruin.

Secondly and more importantly, We are about to release version 1.10 which will contain more cane sources with worlds that have varying depths of sand to give players a sort of difficulty choice. Also the easier worlds have a greater chance to spawn cane. The worlds have been made randomly and I've taken the time to travel around to make sure every world has cane within 500 blocks of the spawn point.

Its interesting how everyone seems to think you can't progress very far until you can make tools. For me, I prioritise getting the acacia seed reward from the ore berries challenge, because you can't get far without the sieve. But I hear your voices and as such will give everyone a sugar cane seed along with the acacia seed for completing the ore berry challenge. That way if you haven't found cane you at least are guaranteed of a way to get it. Hope this helps...

Cheers.............

Well where i'm at is stuck on Tool time and Fluid Favour. Which both require some tool making or paper in the first quest line. The bees quest also require iron which unless you get lucky from mob drops or IT tool leveling mean you can't really move on without paper. There are a few quest i can do but no many. I don't know where this "ore berry challenge" is but i must not have unlocked it yet. All i know is the first quest line is stuck on sugar cane. Even the Banana bread quest needs farming. If i read the quest right i need to till to grow more bushes?

 

[Shadow-]

The ore berry challenge, is at the bottom of the page and called Ore-Inspiring.(Once you complete that the game picks up some speed)

I found lots of sugarcane you just have to travel a lot. If your careful and avoid big fights you can survive. (I use the cactus to fight, you get a mob to follow you and place two high in front of them and it kills or at least wounds them) The ore bushes you get in bags, or if you want to tackle the sand towers with spider webs, there is a way down under them and you find loot there.

Bananas come from trees. One thing not clear in the pack, the gardens you get as rewards from Taint Nothin should be planted in a block of dirt and left alone to spread. (the book says bushes not gardens. The bushes are the ore berries...)
Hope this helps

 

[ifrostyonme]

Is it an intended thing that i found a well and dug down, managing to get below the level of bedrock into stone and basically into the normal minecraft generated world with ores and everything

 

[Spaman]

Is it an intended thing that i found a well and dug down, managing to get below the level of bedrock into stone and basically into the normal minecraft generated world with ores and everything

Spoiler: WELLS!

OMG! You found a way thru to the underworld. Well done on the well. Yes its an intended thing, in fact I threw in a hint about wells in the bucket challenge and then mentioned in the elevator challenge that the underground bunker in the twin towers could only initially be reached from a different location, eg: the wells.

BTW: There are other ways to get below the bedrock but since you've found your way, they probably won't be of any interest to you anyway.

Basically I never intended for people to 'have' to spend half their lives sifting blocks for ores. As mentioned at the beginning of the quest, there are many ways to reach your goal, you've just found another way to obtain materials. Its kinda like a hidden Easter egg that makes you feel good for being adventurous enough to explore other possibilities.

I've always thought the best thing about Minecraft is being able to choose what you want to do, even in a challenge like this. The quest book is there to give people goals to work for and also help people who otherwise would struggle advancing their worlds into things like automation.

That's also why I chose to start with ore berries and Pam's garden bushes, because they give the player a new way to start off their world rather than just making a sieve within a day or two of starting and just sifting away until they get what they want to automate and growing heaps of uneeded food the moment they get a seed and mattock.

The world is now your oyster, see if you can find a few pearls while you're mining the world to pieces..........

 

[Spaman]

Well where i'm at is stuck on Tool time and Fluid Favour. Which both require some tool making or paper in the first quest line. The bees quest also require iron which unless you get lucky from mob drops or IT tool leveling mean you can't really move on without paper. There are a few quest i can do but no many. I don't know where this "ore berry challenge" is but i must not have unlocked it yet. All i know is the first quest line is stuck on sugar cane. Even the Banana bread quest needs farming. If i read the quest right i need to till to grow more bushes?

Fluid flavour and Tool time actually doesn't require tool making. Tool Time leads to being able to make your first tools. You get iron from ore berries. You get oreberries from completing the repeatable 'Taint Nuttin' quest which is located in the middle of the page with an image of a gold ore berry fruit. You also get fruit trees from this quest along with garden bushes. Clearly it is in your best interest to do this quest as often as it allows to build up your supplies of ores and food. You can find and grow cane to make paper. You can make a metal bucket from the ores you grow if you haven't managed to locate an abandoned furnace. The metal bucket recipe has been changed to aluminum or tin so that you can use your iron for other stuff.

I've made the bee quest available from the beginning so that the player will know to look out for them from day one. It does take some time to complete but the intention is to get you to find a Apiary and hopefully a queen bee that isn't fully depleted so you can start making beeswax and honey sooner rather than later. I actually give players samples of what can be dried on racks so they don't have to stumble on it themselves.

The first Hunger Buster quest is there just to open up the page. It will be some time before you can complete that quest. Just keep doing that 'Taint Nuttin' quest as often as possible and before long other quests will trigger for you. When you can't think of anything to do next, go exploring for cane if you haven't got any or go fishing. Having more fish is always a good thing in this game.


The best thing you can do is really read each quest carefully as there is a lot of information that could be missed.

Edit: I'm assuming you received a basic reward bag in a challenge that gave you the banana tree rather than completing the Taint Nuttin quest as completing the Taint Nuttin quest triggers the opening of the Ore berry quest.

I've decided since this can cause a problem like you've experienced, that the update will open the Ore berry challenge after the player completes the very first quest. I've also made mention in the Ore berry challenge that completing the Taint Nuttin quest will get them ore berries. Considering its already mentioned in the fishing quest, I think this should make it clear where oreberries come from.

Cheers.......

 

[Spaman]

The ore berry challenge, is at the bottom of the page and called Ore-Inspiring.(Once you complete that the game picks up some speed)

I found lots of sugarcane you just have to travel a lot. If your careful and avoid big fights you can survive. (I use the cactus to fight, you get a mob to follow you and place two high in front of them and it kills or at least wounds them) The ore bushes you get in bags, or if you want to tackle the sand towers with spider webs, there is a way down under them and you find loot there.

Bananas come from trees. One thing not clear in the pack, the gardens you get as rewards from Taint Nothin should be planted in a block of dirt and left alone to spread. (the book says bushes not gardens. The bushes are the ore berries...)
Hope this helps

Thanks for pointing out the misdirection with the bushes and gardens. I'm heading into the game now to fix it before publishing. Well done........

EDIT: I'm using version 1.10 so I may have changed the wording already but my Taint Nuttin says garden bushes which I think is quite reasonable considering the ore berry bushes are not mentioned in the Taint Nuttin.

I have changed the word bushes to gardens in the 8 garden quests in the Hunger Buster page though.

 

[NotReallyACat]

Argh. Need walnuts to get a cherry sapling, need cherries to get a walnut sapling. What am I missing?

 

[Spaman]

Argh. Need walnuts to get a cherry sapling, need cherries to get a walnut sapling. What am I missing?

That's not how it works. You get 8 'required' saplings [including a cherry and walnut] from completing the top four garden challenges. The 'choice' of sapling rewards you get from the bottom four 'new' garden challenges are there to give you a choice of duplicating a sapling from the top garden challenges or a different sapling. The main idea behind that reward is to give players a chance to get a second 'required' sapling in the event their first one is either destroyed or didn't produce any fruit.

To get a walnut sapling you need to complete the top left garden challenge. You get a cherry sapling by completing the top right garden challenge. They are independent of each other.


Cheers................

 

[Shadow-]

Couple of things about the Smelt This quest. I tried using the alloy smelter to do this (my smelter was full of iron).
The Alloy Smelter will not accept Tinker's Aluminum.
The Alloy Smelter doesn't make Bronze, it makes Tinker's Alloy which the quest will not take, so I had to run the alloy through the smelter anyway to get Bronze.

 

[Magzie]

Couple of things about the Smelt This quest. I tried using the alloy smelter to do this (my smelter was full of iron).
The Alloy Smelter will not accept Tinker's Aluminum.
The Alloy Smelter doesn't make Bronze, it makes Tinker's Alloy which the quest will not take, so I had to run the alloy through the smelter anyway to get Bronze.

If you keep one bronze and an empty Jabba you can convert them over that way.

 

[Spaman]

Couple of things about the Smelt This quest. I tried using the alloy smelter to do this (my smelter was full of iron).
The Alloy Smelter will not accept Tinker's Aluminum.
The Alloy Smelter doesn't make Bronze, it makes Tinker's Alloy which the quest will not take, so I had to run the alloy through the smelter anyway to get Bronze.

With the Smelt this quest, making alloys is there to show players how they get alloys from ores using the smeltery. Originally I had it so that players couldn't get to the alloy quest until after completing the smelter quest. I decided to change it to give more flexibility to give players more choice.

Also I tend to forget what the required mixtures are so I thought having it in the book where I can refer to it when necessary would be helpful.

In the next update, I'll consider allowing tinkers ingots to be accepted in the quest. Its a shame you didn't discover this prior to my uploading the updated version, but then these things happen.

Cheers.......

EDIT: In case you don't read the first page for information, the 1.1.0 update has been approved and is ready to be downloaded.