[1.7.10][LISTED] InfiTech 2 Modpack v3.2.21 [HQM][GregTech balanced hard-mode modpack]

[Tiphon]

Easiest way is use the command /hqm edit then open the OP book and hit reset.

is there any alternative way? because for some reason i got 'You do not have permission to perform this command' even when im in cheat mode on server

 

[Ilirith]

Sweet, that's pretty darn handy, thanks for checking that. Also, reinforced metal from steve's carts is 500K, the only recipe that can be overclocked twice with nichrome... if you REALLY wanted reinforced metal I guess




I too was unaware until I actually searched pollution in the detailed changelog and somehow found that gem. If you have oxygen, it it DEFINITELY worth it to swap to the ebf. It's something like 1/4 to 1/2 the cost of coal (with basic steam producers) and 25+ times faster. I'm lazy and not looking up all the numbers but a bronze blast furnace takes over a minute per steel while the ebf takes 5 seconds per.

I have plenty of oxygen, usually put it in drums when I get it from electrolysis etc. and only used it for a couple stacks of annealed copper earlier on.

I should look into nichrome soon, I'm currently using kanthal coils, since that was needed for titanium.

also need to get a better source of gold, currently I only get the little I find in a few magnetite/gold veins and then when I'm very desperate I macerate nether blocks, but that's very cost ineffective, 10% chance efor one nugget at the cost of a fair amount of EU...

i Might make a third EBF and use it for regular steel then, or use my aluminium /stainless steel one for some batches of regular steel

 

[GoldBlockIngot]

I need some assistance. I'm currently at LV machines but I need a new source of power. Boilers are no longer an option for me, I don't have enough space for a large tree farm (I'm in a hill/jungle biome, so the ground isn't level enough), they go through too much charcoal and I waste too much I had to move my steam machines into the Nether so I could use a lava lake to power them there. I also went down the biogas line, but I don't like my odds there. The heat generators are bottlenecking my production due to them being so slow, and the wiki says electric generators will always use more power than they give heat.

In short, is there a setup that is:
-Self sufficient, needing no more manual attention than adding fuel to one machine (preferrably not coal/charcoal)
-Available in the LV era
-Capable of producing more energy than it uses
-As light on resources like metal and rubber as possible (although I suppose grinding for mats is okay, just long winded and a pain in the old arse)

 

[Pyure]

I believe you can do diesel in LV

 

[GoldBlockIngot]

What machines does that require? Also, I'm not anywhere near an oil spout but I could go exploring, though I'd prefer not to leave miles of pipes, so any portable fuel containers would be rather nice.

 

[Ilirith]

I need some assistance. I'm currently at LV machines but I need a new source of power. Boilers are no longer an option for me, I don't have enough space for a large tree farm (I'm in a hill/jungle biome, so the ground isn't level enough), they go through too much charcoal and I waste too much I had to move my steam machines into the Nether so I could use a lava lake to power them there. I also went down the biogas line, but I don't like my odds there. The heat generators are bottlenecking my production due to them being so slow, and the wiki says electric generators will always use more power than they give heat.

In short, is there a setup that is:
-Self sufficient, needing no more manual attention than adding fuel to one machine (preferrably not coal/charcoal)
-Available in the LV era
-Capable of producing more energy than it uses
-As light on resources like metal and rubber as possible (although I suppose grinding for mats is okay, just long winded and a pain in the old arse)

same problem i had, except. I was in the MV / early HV stage. its going much better for me now that I use raw oil from a oil rig and make it into nitro diesel. you can do that in lv as well, maybe not with oil rig, but at least with oilsands, it does take some processing to get nitro diesel running, read a few posts back, I think it was general Ike who gave me a quick rundown of how to get it going

I'm now having almost a full drum of nitro diesel saved up, while using it to power both of my EBFs as well, and I have a few drums of raw oil waiting to be processed (I think k I got fairly lucky with my raw oil source, it's at over 530L/operation )

 

[General Ike]

I need some assistance. I'm currently at LV machines but I need a new source of power. Boilers are no longer an option for me, I don't have enough space for a large tree farm (I'm in a hill/jungle biome, so the ground isn't level enough), they go through too much charcoal and I waste too much I had to move my steam machines into the Nether so I could use a lava lake to power them there. I also went down the biogas line, but I don't like my odds there. The heat generators are bottlenecking my production due to them being so slow, and the wiki says electric generators will always use more power than they give heat.

In short, is there a setup that is:
-Self sufficient, needing no more manual attention than adding fuel to one machine (preferrably not coal/charcoal)
-Available in the LV era
-Capable of producing more energy than it uses
-As light on resources like metal and rubber as possible (although I suppose grinding for mats is okay, just long winded and a pain in the old arse)

While it DOES require some setup and processing and probably some new machines, use oil (from an ocean oil spring).
As Pyure best put it

Oil is nuts. Global warming is a myth.

1 bucket worth of oil can be processed into 614,000 eu worth of nitro-diesel for less than like 7,000 eu.

 

[Pyure]

What machines does that require? Also, I'm not anywhere near an oil spout but I could go exploring, though I'd prefer not to leave miles of pipes, so any portable fuel containers would be rather nice.

Anything you want to do is going to require lots of machines, but first-tier diesel is actually fairly simple. I believe you just need a distillery (?) for the oil. And you're going to need to do this anyway (with possibly different distilleries) for the other various oil products you'll need)

The other thing you need is a way to get oil. I personally like to just use thirsty tanks to drain oil wells into drums. A lot of people prefer to drill for abstract oil.

 

[GoldBlockIngot]

Jeez, that sounds awesome. Though, I can't seem to wrap my head around it using only the NEI guides it seems. All this talk of cracking and distilling and reacting... You seem to know this stuff better than I do. What machines do I need for building this setup?

I know I'll need a pump of some kind for when I find a spout, and I hope an Extra Utilities drum will suffice for carrying it back to my base (since I'm pretty far inland), so that much I'll go and build. I just don't want to waste the precious few resources I have before I have to go on another arduous mining trip on machines that either don't work or are unnecessary.

EDIT: Distillery, will do.

 

[Pyure]

I know I'll need a pump of some kind for when I find a spout, and I hope an Extra Utilities drum will suffice for carrying it back to my base (since I'm pretty far inland), so that much I'll go and build. I just don't want to waste the precious few resources I have before I have to go on another arduous mining trip on machines that either don't work or are unnecessary.

EDIT: Distillery, will do.

Just in case it wasn't clear: there's two types of oil sources: The visible kind that you can pump, and the invisible kind (abstract) that can be drilled.

Big oil spouts that you sometimes see in the ocean will keep you going for a long time right now, so you dont really need to worry about an oil drilling rig just yet if you don't want to. A really good oil geyser will easily fill more than a dozen drums. Maybe two dozen.

 

[GoldBlockIngot]

I should probably list the machines I already have so you'll know how far away I am from diesel. I'm only about 22% into the quests in Steel Age, with an electric plate bender, wiremill, fluid extractor and compressor as my most advanced machines so far.

 

[Ilirith]

I went with the oil drilling rig approach, mainly because I couldn't find any oil Wells nearby

its working out well for me, 8buckets of nitro diesel gives me a bit over 240 buckets of raw oil, which with some basic processing will net me 300.buckets of nitro diesel which is for me at my current stage, a metric beepton of EU. 500k+ EU per bucket of nitro diesel, so that's on the plus side of 150 million EU

of course there is spent some additional EU on processing the oil, but that is a rather insignificant amount. even more so when my oil processing setup is still powered by steam, so I just grab a couple drums of lava now and then and it calast to process many drums of raw oil into nitro BUT if you are very early in the steel chapter, I belive the oil rig will be close to unrealistic, especially as you are (presumably) new to Gregtech.

but as you can see from my simple math above, the amount of EU for a drum of nitro diesel, is huge, and if a spring like Pyure mentions, can fill several of not dozens of drums, then that will last you far longer than MV and probably HV stage


edit: all. the talk of cracking and distilling, ignore the cracking part for a long while, you do t have the machinery and can't make it either for a while yet.
distilling is needed, but it's relatively simple as you can't make the larger multiblock distilling towers yet either, so a basic distillery will be plenty good (you lose out on a lot of by products as well as you have less efficient distilling with the non tower distillery, but it's still a huge gain in EU)

 

[Ilirith]

I should probably list the machines I already have so you'll know how far away I am from diesel. I'm only about 22% into the quests in Steel Age, with an electric plate bender, wiremill, fluid extractor and compressor as my most advanced machines so far.

you'd want a chemical reactor if you want to make nitro diesel, I'd recommend a couple actually since you need one to make sulfuric light fuel (that get from distilling the Base oil) into regular light fuel. then process the regular light fuel into nitro diesel by putting it in a chemical reactor with glyceryl trinitrate, 4 buckets light fuel 1 bucket glycerol gives 5 buckets of nitro diesel ( that's over 2.5 million EU in nitro diesel). and you would need a chemical tractor to make the glyceryl trinitrate as well. you can do with just one, but it will require far more advanced automation or far more manual work swapping between what it's doing.

you might need a centrifuge or an electrolyzer to get some things needed for the glycerol, can't remember the recipe, I made a drum of it and I'm still. not done using that up.

Edit: Just looked up the recipes, you can distill air into nitrogen which is used with water and carbon to create glyceryl trinitrate.

But doing it with a distillery would cost you at least 256k EU just to make 3.9 buckets of Nitrogen, where as the Centrifuge can make 3.9 buckets for 12.8k EU.

The centrifuge also makes 1 cell of Oxygen, since it is turning 1 empty cell + 10 buckets worth of air into 3.9 buckets of nitrogen and 1 cell of oxygen.

Air you get by compressing empty cells which gives compressed air, that when released in a drum or fluid tank etc. gives 2 buckets worth of air.

The centrifuge also consumes twice as much air per nitrogen compared to the Distillery method, but i dont believe Air itself will be the main issue, especially not since you already have a compressor to make it =)

 

[General Ike]

My quests are bugged I think... How do I advance my quest book out of the bronze age? Do I need to reach 100% completion (ie: are the ore crops necessary to progress?) Also, the book's not registering my dirty iron ore. I'm EV tier-ish: almost replaced my nichrome EBF with tungstensteel, clearly I should be clean through most of the quests by now.

 

[Ilirith]

Must be bugged then, cause you get to Steel fairly easily and the one after steel you get when you finish the quest that wants you to make i think its 32 aluminium ingots

 

[GoldBlockIngot]

Huuuggghhh... Steel is a pain. Rubber is a pain. Circuits are a pain. Motors are a pain. I might even run into something that needs the next blast furnace (I've only got a bronze one so far and I barely use it, I get all my steel the Thaumcraft way) Every time I make circuits I have have to run between my farm, crucible, copper mine, and a lava lake in the Nether (cause that's where all my steam machines are since I can't be bothered making electric versions of them because that requires even MORE circuits)
PAIIIIINNNNFFFUUULLLLLL =n=

 

[Ilirith]

I know the feeling,
It will get better later on ( well, yes and no, later on the early ones are somewhat easier, but there are some newer ones that are even more of a pain )

Also, if you don't have an assembling machine with an Extractor + Chemical Reactor, get that...
You will use only half as much rubber, (have to be liquid though ) per copper cable you need to insulate, which is going to be.. A LOT
Actually that goes for any cable that uses rubber for insulation

You don't necessarily need the Chemical Reactor for it, but i use it for making the rubber by throwing in 9 rubber dust + 1 sulfur dust = 9 ingots worth of liquid rubber, then i output it directly into the assembling machine that i always use for rubberizing cables ( i have other assembling machines for when i need other liquids etc. )

Edit:
Oh one thing about rubber trees, that i didnt realize until recently,
If you get a few good ones with good sticky resin harvestable spots ( with the tree tap that is ), you can just let them be and the sticky resin spots will regenerate and can be tapped again..

Last time i played, i didnt know that, so i had to cut em down and hope to get saplings every time to plant new trees etc.

 

[General Ike]

Yup, everything is a horrible brutal pain until you get a full array of LV machines, the MV circuit making machines, and HV macerator. Then you feel like you're king of the world. So you look to upgrading your blast furnace, then you realize that up until that point, you hadn't experienced true pain.

Then when you think the worst is over, you look into a distillation tower, which is finally within your grasp... and you do a double take when you realize that everything you've been doing up to that point was just a tutorial preparing you for what was to come.

Now I feel like things have settled, I'm happy and flooded with resources and energy with a beautiful setup and my life is a dream, tungsten isn't even that bad honestly. So I look at the diesel engine and I nearly have a heart attack. HOW much titanium did you say!?!

Edit: But damn if it isn't rewarding and enjoyable. I just can't get enough

 

[Pyure]

Stickreed is an amazing rubber-tree replacement if you can be arsed to get it.

 

[Ilirith]

Chalcopyrite and Mercury is my new two best friends!
Easy and relatively cheap source of gold!
70% chance of gold dust when throwing crushed Chalcopyrite in a Chemical Bath, and i've been horribly gold stagnated for a while now, so yay!