[1.7.10][LISTED] InfiTech 2 Modpack v3.2.21 [HQM][GregTech balanced hard-mode modpack]

[codewarrior0]

The situation with space and distance also changes as you progress through the game. When you're just starting LV era, you'll probably have all of your machines clustered near your lone boiler setup since you can't afford much infrastructure. As you move into MV and HV, you'll start to have little independent power clusters for different sets of machines, and each might use a different type of fuel. And when you can afford to put EV cables and transformers everywhere, you'll end up with a central power generating area, with a long branching power line that connects to lots of battery buffers and step-down transformers all over your base.

 

[Pyure]

The situation with space and distance also changes as you progress through the game. When you're just starting LV era, you'll probably have all of your machines clustered near your lone boiler setup since you can't afford much infrastructure. As you move into MV and HV, you'll start to have little independent power clusters for different sets of machines, and each might use a different type of fuel. And when you can afford to put EV cables and transformers everywhere, you'll end up with a central power generating area, with a long branching power line that connects to lots of battery buffers and step-down transformers all over your base.

This accurately describes my bases, yep.

 

[Pyure]

Also, neato, we appear to have attained 14k posts.

 

[asb3pe]

My experiment with GT Fluid Pipes lasted less than one day. After spending most of today fiddling with my Distilleries, I finally gave up and removed all the GT pipes and replaced them with middle-tier Ender IO conduits. As you might expect, my setup went from dead batteries to always-full batteries, just by making that one change. It's a lesson I've learned in the past, and I'll never give up the dream completely because I do love everything Greg... but some GT things just are not worth the hair-pulling. LOL

 

[ColdComfort]

What's the GT-approved way to step down amperage?

I want to have a large power storage setup, so I have a 16-slot IV battery buffer. If I fill that with orbs, and then connect the output to a 4-slot IV battery buffer (filled with 4 orbs), will that effectively step down the amperage to 4 amps, or just cause a massive and expensive explosion?

 

[Pyure]

What's the GT-approved way to step down amperage?

I want to have a large power storage setup, so I have a 16-slot IV battery buffer. If I fill that with orbs, and then connect the output to a 4-slot IV battery buffer (filled with 4 orbs), will that effectively step down the amperage to 4 amps, or just cause a massive and expensive explosion?

It will step down the amperage. Amps aren't pushed so much as pulled. If the puller is a 4-slot battery buffer, it will only pull what it can (8 amps I believe).

 

[targetingyou78]

It will step down the amperage. Amps aren't pushed so much as pulled. If the puller is a 4-slot battery buffer, it will only pull what it can (8 amps I believe).

Yeah, I believe this is how it works. The only way to cause a problem is with too high voltage.

Also, I started running my Advanced Miner II... It's been running for like 5 minutes... what do I do with all this yellorium What a wonderful problem to have. I'll have to start building an automatic ore processing chain... <3

 

[Captain_Oats]

My experiment with GT Fluid Pipes lasted less than one day. After spending most of today fiddling with my Distilleries, I finally gave up and removed all the GT pipes and replaced them with middle-tier Ender IO conduits. As you might expect, my setup went from dead batteries to always-full batteries, just by making that one change. It's a lesson I've learned in the past, and I'll never give up the dream completely because I do love everything Greg... but some GT things just are not worth the hair-pulling. LOL

I was having major problems with them as well trying to create a closed loop system with the LHE. They seem to work fine when they're near or at full capacity. And so the solution in my case was just to keep adding more coolant fluid as a buffer. Once everything is up to a consistent full speed and efficiency, the pipes are wonderful, however with processes involving large amount of flowrate variation I find them to be so unreliable. Literally had 100,000+ coolant sifting around in the pipes slowing making their way over to where they have to be.

Just curious, how exactly were the pipes limiting your system?

 

[Jason McRay]

If anyone has exploding Large Steam Turbine... It seems like you MUST put in the Muffler. Its not mentioned anywhere (block tooltip, guide book, or quest), because it is a bug. So if your Large Steam Turbine explodes for no reason... add a muffler and see if it will help.

 

[codewarrior0]

That's kind of surprising. I looked over the code and I don't see a path that leads from failure to emit pollution to exploding the machine. It looks like it just shuts off the machine if there's no muffler.

Besides, I've been running a Large Plasma Generator without a Muffler Hatch for a few days with no problems. Well, aside from very nearly blowing up everything due to using a too-small dynamo hatch... (Lesson learned: Gas Turbines round the flow rate down, while Plasma Generators round it up.)

 

[Jason McRay]

That's kind of surprising. I looked over the code and I don't see a path that leads from failure to emit pollution to exploding the machine. It looks like it just shuts off the machine if there's no muffler.

Besides, I've been running a Large Plasma Generator without a Muffler Hatch for a few days with no problems. Well, aside from very nearly blowing up everything due to using a too-small dynamo hatch... (Lesson learned: Gas Turbines round the flow rate down, while Plasma Generators round it up.)

Honestly I dont know what is going on... I just received a note from a player whose LST exploded, he tried to rebuild it twice or three times, always with same result. Then he just tried to add in Muffler and no explosions happen since.

 

[pro5]

Iron plasma is best fuel? Its like cheat. Redstone dust >> rock breaker = obsidian >> macerator = obsidian dust >> electrolyzer = silicon+magnesium >> fusion reactor = iron plasma.
Total result: 1 redstone dust = ~80 Million Eu.

 

[codewarrior0]

Iron plasma is best fuel? Its like cheat.

But can't you only make that in a MK III Fusion Reactor anyway? I mean once you get to the very end of the game there's got to be some kind of reward, right? (And by my math, it's 11 redstone dust = 70M EU...)

 

[pro5]

I mean once you get to the very end of the game there's got to be some kind of reward, right?

right )

And by my math, it's 11 redstone dust = 70M EU...

1. Try macerate 1 obsidian in pulvirizator - its get 9 dust. But NEI show 2 ways: macerating (9 output dusts) and pulvirization(1 output dust).
But realy pulverization get 9 dusts instead 1.
2. 80 M EU = 58*140% turbine effeciency.

 

[asb3pe]

I was having major problems with them as well trying to create a closed loop system with the LHE. They seem to work fine when they're near or at full capacity. And so the solution in my case was just to keep adding more coolant fluid as a buffer. Once everything is up to a consistent full speed and efficiency, the pipes are wonderful, however with processes involving large amount of flowrate variation I find them to be so unreliable. Literally had 100,000+ coolant sifting around in the pipes slowing making their way over to where they have to be.

Just curious, how exactly were the pipes limiting your system?

My setup was as simple as it gets... I calculated the amount of steam required for 85% efficiency LV Steam Turbines to run at full blast, which is 2 steam per EU divided by 0.85 times 32 EU/t, or approx. 75 mb/t of steam required per turbine, which converts to 1500 L/s of steam. I run 6 of these turbines, so I need 6*1500 steam, or a GT Fluid Conduit capable of 9000 L/sec flow rate. The Large Steel Fluid Pipes can carry 9600 L/s, so I ran that as my "trunk line" directly connected to a Railcraft Tank Valve, on the bottom side of the tank so I don't even need a pump.

Off that main trunk, I put a shutter set to "output only" mode, then I place six Small Steel Fluid Pipes (capable of 1600 L/sec flow each) off the main trunk line connecting to each of my six LV Steam Turbine. I also placed a shutter along every segment of the main trunk, set to "output only" to prevent backflows and "sloshing" inside (as per the Chloe tutorial video for GT Fluid pipes).

So the math on my flow rates works out perfectly, I have 600 extra steam per second in the system (so in other words, the system is "full" without any room in it). And yet... at the end of the main trunk, those LV Turbines do not get enough steam. Even tho the math shows an excess capacity, and even tho I have a shutter everywhere I can. GT Fluid pipes simply do not work in the manner I need them to work. It is possible, I suppose, that the problem lies with me and my methodology... but in the end, GT Fluid Pipes are not worth the headaches. Not when there is a headache-free solution available (Ender IO conduit).

 

[codewarrior0]

I calculated the amount of steam required for 85% efficiency LV Steam Turbines to run at full blast, which is 2 steam per EU divided by 0.85 times 32 EU/t, or approx. 75 mb/t of steam required per turbine, which converts to 1500 L/s of steam.

Because of the machine-level power loss of 2 EU/amp, the LV Steam Turbine actually produces 34 EU/t, and consumes exactly 80L/t of steam to do so. Maybe this is what you overlooked?

 

[Pyure]

Because of the machine-level power loss of 2 EU/amp, the LV Steam Turbine actually produces 34 EU/t, and consumes exactly 80L/t of steam to do so. Maybe this is what you overlooked?

This is my exact calculation as well. I come up with 9600 L/s for his setup.

 

[codewarrior0]

Also, don't quote me on this, but I was under the impression that the transfer rate of a GT fluid pipe is only half of its capacity?

 

[asb3pe]

So I ran out of gold and set my Miner over a Magnetite ore vein, getting 8 stacks of crushed gold ore. Obviously I could just smelt it for 8 stacks of gold (plus the one-nugget bonus), but I'd like to do more than that if possible. What are my best options?

1. Use Mercury to get a 70% chance of a gold dust from each crushed, then smelt the centrifuged product for 10 gold nuggets each?
2. Do IC2 crops until I get the Aurelia leaf? I haven't started crops yet.
3. Do Gendustry until I get Gold Combs from bees? I haven't started bees yet.

How long might options 2 and 3 take me? If reasonable (i.e. a week or so) I would be willing to spend that time. If not reasonable, then I guess option 1 is my best choice for now?

 

[asb3pe]

Because of the machine-level power loss of 2 EU/amp, the LV Steam Turbine actually produces 34 EU/t, and consumes exactly 80L/t of steam to do so. Maybe this is what you overlooked?

Or maybe I never knew about that part of the math. LOL Thanks for the tip - I generally never account for the losses because I don't understand what they are.