Sorry, brosef. All this talk of eco-systems leaves me thinking you've been hitting the bong a little too hard. There are plenty of people who like RP2, and who feel no need whatsoever to update our mods every time Mojang updates MC, and feel no need to muse philosophically about the 'eco-system' in which we play. The modded MC scene is a goddam mess right now full of show stopping bugs, memory leaks, incompatibilities, and all in exchange for a great big pile of not much. We need more talented modders like KingLemming to show up with the right amount of expertise and the right attitude to hold themselves to a higher standard. Eloraam falls into that caregory, btw, and all the bitching about her starts with her update frequency. It should end there, but it doesn't. It snowballs, and the next thing you know we're talking about eco-systems. Because the baseline bitch is never good enough, we have to build on it with hollow rationalizations. If I'm going to criticize a modder, I'm going to criticize the ones who are making a mess willfully, and after that I'll criticize the ones who are making a mess out of laziness (ie: not checking if a chunk is loaded before referencing tile entities in that chunk), and by the time I'm done with those two categories I'll probably be too tired to go after the good modders who simply have the audacity to have lives beyond modded Minecraft.
Welp, elo's alive
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Sorry, brosef. All this talk of eco-systems leaves me thinking you've been hitting the bong a little too hard. There are plenty of people who like RP2, and who feel no need whatsoever to update our mods every time Mojang updates MC, and feel no need to muse philosophically about the 'eco-system' in which we play. The modded MC scene is a goddam mess right now full of show stopping bugs, memory leaks, incompatibilities, and all in exchange for a great big pile of not much. We need more talented modders like KingLemming to show up with the right amount of expertise and the right attitude to hold themselves to a higher standard. Eloraam falls into that caregory, btw, and all the bitching about her starts with her update frequency. It should end there, but it doesn't. It snowballs, and the next thing you know we're talking about eco-systems. Because the baseline bitch is never good enough, we have to build on it with hollow rationalizations. If I'm going to criticize a modder, I'm going to criticize the ones who are making a mess willfully, and after that I'll criticize the ones who are making a mess out of laziness (ie: not checking if a chunk is loaded before referencing tile entities in that chunk), and by the time I'm done with those two categories I'll probably be too tired to go after the good modders who simply have the audacity to have lives beyond modded Minecraft.
Yeah my sentiments exactly, as you can probably see I put "haters" in quotes as it's more accurate to call them dissenters. They don't really hate Eloram they are just dissatisfied by the current state of things. (which TBH does make them a little over entitled and ungrateful but yeah)
And as you said if she was able to release updates in a punctual manner she would have no "haters" as her mod is rather good and serves a well wanted function. This "hate" is not exactly coming from nowhere it's not as baseless as people believe.
Theory: Greg, Eloraam, and Soaryn are the same person.
It makes sense.
It makes sense.
I'm way more corp than you, Scrover Cleveland.
I've managed to carve out something pretty damn stable. I am not very good at it, either. You should try it. Shneeky's modpack is very good and stable, as well. Whizzbal'1's off to a good start, too. And we're just DJ's spinning other people's music.
And the mods that give me the most trouble are the complex ones that RedPower2 depends on. For every Mekanism problem I troubleshoot, I spend at least an hour mussing with NEI and its family of mods.
Not even close. Eloraam is obviously a clever person with an electrical engineering background. The equal of KingLemming & team as software engineers: she is not. This is not a disparagement, this is a frank assessment of capabilities. It's something I can unashamedly say I know a thing or two about.
It's really interesting to me how you're the one casting shit around about everyone's ability but then arguing that I should have faith in RP2. Like somehow it wasn't also a pretty buggy mod. Do you remember all the client crashes? Like, "Right click the timer with anything but an empty hand?" or the amazing item dupes or the Amazing Transforming Bucket Machine or the epic "sorry your world is destroyed because Railcraft was nearby" bugs?
I guess I can forgive mod authors for being novices because they're novices. If I were angry at every person who makes a programming mistake in their lives I'd never be anything but angry, and probably have thrown myself off a bridge as well.
I guess its your prerogative to say I'm full of shit. Personally, I'd rather have fun playing a game in my off time and being engaged with new, hardworking modders. But you know, that talk of ecosystems and successful software projects? That's in such staple books as The Pragmatic Programmer and tons of management books.
Sense?
Greg = Configs for almost everything, decent API
Soaryn = Works with other devs to make sure XyCraft is good (Mainly ChickenBones)
Eloraam = No world gen or power configs apart from ores, no API and addons discouraged, single dev with release pattern to match.
I love RedPower2 because it just makes sense, you craft a block and know what it does just by the name. But I wish someone would just say "Fuck copyright, everybody wants RedPower2 for 1.5.2, here you go!".
Greg = Configs for almost everything, decent API
Soaryn = Works with other devs to make sure XyCraft is good (Mainly ChickenBones)
Eloraam = No world gen or power configs apart from ores, no API and addons discouraged, single dev with release pattern to match.
I love RedPower2 because it just makes sense, you craft a block and know what it does just by the name. But I wish someone would just say "Fuck copyright, everybody wants RedPower2 for 1.5.2, here you go!".
I once thought that I'd be able to wait for RP2 and that any modpack that I'd play somehow wouldn't feel complete without it. But tbh, I'm playing Dave's Resonant Rise pack and I don't miss it at all...
I called this, almost perfectly....
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/red-power-2-status.22072/page-7#post-279811
All it took was some simple math
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/red-power-2-status.22072/page-7#post-279811
All it took was some simple math
Called it.
And btw, if Redpower 3 is awesome I will be all over it like a ferret into a pipe full of fresh meat. But I stand by my assertion that big bang mods are much harder to do now.[DOUBLEPOST=1371008300][/DOUBLEPOST]
I called this, almost perfectly....
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/red-power-2-status.22072/page-7#post-279811
All it took was some simple math
A prophet walks among us.
Largely because people don't expand what they do, and have latched onto a singular methodology that requires Redpower. The combination finds them and their game installs frozen and unable to upgrade to all the new content being released by every other mod in the game. This makes them grumpy and irritable.
For the record, I mis Xytanks a lot. I miss it more than anything from Rp2. I miss it more than I missed anything on one of my favorite mods: Xeno's Reliquary. Xytanks are great.
I miss it... I miss it vary much... But I also know it is going to be a while before it is usable in updated packs so I don't fret over it.
I have my own projects that don't involve adding to the pile of packs that really only serve to dilute the community. The real community. Not the one where we declare other peoples' work 'obsolete' because something more shiny nabbed our attention. I don't care about pragmatic programmers or novice management manuals. Management starts with leadership, and leadership isn't something you can jam into a manual so people can barf cliche expressions all over one another in an attempt to impress. I'm rather bored of the convoluted rationalizations that come from these kinds of 'discussions'. The self-entitled generation is very good at coming up with them but very inept at arguing around them. Months ago I said that sometimes less communication is more and I'd rather see mod devs communicate when they have to, not because the kids are squealing. The kids, of course, squealed about that. Now, a couple of months or so since the last tweet assuring us work was continuing, we get another tweet echoing the sentiment. Is it enough? Yes. Why is it enough? Because nothing has changed, so who the hell needs more over-communication to remind us that nothing has changed? Kids with anxiety problems, that's who. Since we're barfing textbook nonsense all up and down the place, should we talk about exposure therapy? Best way to convince some people that the sky is not falling is to force them to shut up and watch the sky not falling. You might even find that in a management manual somewhere.
I'm diluting the community? I could not be more involved with the FTB community if I tried. I'd have to quit my job to post here more. I've had to go so far as recruiting other people to start test servers to meet the letters of our mod licenses while. We're going to have four soon. Almost everyone is directly from this forum, and I'm very active here.
Our work is of the community. Weren't you just mentioning something or other about honoring contributions?
Well, it's definitionally obsolete, but I'm not going to it a day at that.
Functionality-wise, Frames is the only thing left for RP2 to really hang its hat on. RP2 sorting systems are computationally inefficient (client and server) and its power system was beautiful, but never practical. When Universal Electricity is a more performant and stable example of a power system, you know you have got performance problems (poor Aidan, just remove the Universal Cable, mang, it's not worth it).
RP2 had great art and great ambition. Most of its ambitions just never really materialized.
"Your debate tactics are shoddy" is not a very successful debate tactic. Would you like to debate this? We are currently having a conversation.
Yes this all seems relevant and on topic.
P.S., management and leadership are very different things. I prefer the later, personally.
Oh, so you fight to have your contribution honored but dismiss the work of someone else. It's cool. As I said, these discussions bore me now. Take a moment to offer up and relish the last word, because I've got nothing further to add.
Quite the opposite. I've been pretty clear about my stance. No one else reading this thread is confused. RP2 was a great mod. It's stagnant now. I'll thank her when she releases. I'm not going to wait. I'd like to play Minecraft now, and that's not her problem.
Thank you for the last word. I'll take it to say your youtube series is great and I am a subscriber. You're one of the reasons I started doing Let's Plays. And if I were hauling in such huge traffic on a minecraft series in the middle of an RP2 megabuild, I'd be very hopeful too, so I think I sorta understand how you feel.
As I've said before, Minecraft drama is best drama