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EternalDensity

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I never figured out managers. Or maybe I never did anything that required one. I dunno. In any case, I didn't make any.
 

Saice

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I never figured out managers. Or maybe I never did anything that required one. I dunno. In any case, I didn't make any.

They are nice. I never did the silly thing of having them all over the place. But one or two in a sorting system adds a whole new level of options.

My remote Enderchest/bag system used one to flush items into my sorting system while always keeping tools, a stack of food, and a stack of torches in the chest at all times.
 

MrChris

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Do we all forget that there is no public Xycraft release for any version of 1.5 minecraft? Why does all the hate go to Eloraam and not Soaryn? Because you see him on Dire's channel?

First fo all i dont hate on eloram, its her mod she does what she wants. secondly, we cant hate on soaryn because his mod is in beta. We are just lucky we got the beta in the first place.
 

Nerixel

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First fo all i dont hate on eloram, its her mod she does what she wants. secondly, we cant hate on soaryn because his mod is in beta. We are just lucky we got the beta in the first place.

RedPower's in beta as well, that's why it's version numbers are all preceded by "prerelease", for instance "RedPower 2 Prerelease 6 for Minecraft 1.4.6". She's classified it as prerelease, but it's essentially the same as open beta.
But I agree with you, unless a mod maker's doing something malicious/illegal with their mod, it's theirs to do with as they please.
 

Chocorate

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what i dont understand are the people who would hate the situation of redpower being replaced. or frames being replaced. i think its a god idea. i think its just the people who dont actually care about the mod and are more concerned with their undying devotion to the One true Modder. it would be great if we had frames with our rednet but not buggy. im writing terrible because im at my friends house and im really tired.


Sent from my homophone using metaphorical circuit boards
 

Petrus

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Greg's been having a ton of trouble maintaining his mod's balance in the face of a fleet of popular and upcoming mods because his big-bang style of design imposes a lot of restrictions on other mods in the pack, and greatly constrains the freedom of modpack maintainers hoping to achieve something akin to "balance."

"Balance," needs to be crucified, disembowelled, and quartered; not necessarily in that order. I would also strongly advocate water boarding it on a daily basis for several months first. The obsession with balance is beginning to cripple the game; especially given the degree of collaboration we're seeing now between different authors. We're approaching a scenario where you have the Forgecraft ivory tower on the one hand, and everyone else on the other; which leads to a scenario where we also have great mods like RotaryCraft, whose author actually doesn't want to use the ore or liquid dictionaries, because she's terrified of the backlash from the Forgecraft elitists and their playerbase about "balance."

Seriously. I am fed up with balance, and the people who want it. My own recent reversion to 1.2.5 has a very large amount to do with balance obsession, and wanting to get away from it. I'm truthfully really enjoying having EE2 back, and it isn't stopping me from playing the game, either. I'm creating power systems which take advantage of it, yes; but that does not mean that they can't be creative. Quite the contrary, in fact.


This is a video I put together a while back, for a lava generator using EE2 and an RP2 setup, with IC2's pump. It was a simplification of one of odedex's designs.

The narrow minded idiots who complained constantly about EE2 being imbalanced, and EE3 being imbalanced now, should really take a good look at the amount of video that ended up on YouTube, demonstrating the vast number of different machine designs that people were able to use EE2 to create. Go and build an 8-10 node, optimised collector pyramid array, with a collection system, and then come back and tell me that EE2 was only for 12 year old newbs who don't know how to play. I know, because I've done it.

RP2 is, even in 1.4.7, totally "unbalanced." Many things we expect it to do simply don't appear. Many things that other mods feel are expensive are utterly trivialized by RP2. It was only the exceptional quality of RP2 that let it pull these off at the time.

It was actually because the aforementioned disease had not progressed to the stage that it has now.

But now, we have other mods with exceptionally cool machines, great art direction and a great velocity. Minefactory Reloaded and Thermal Expansion are shining examples of new leaders.

Yep, we do; and here's one of the defining characteristics of most of those machines. The majority of them are sealed, single-block boxes whose functionality exists purely due to the programming of the author, rather than the actions of the player. Even the multi block structures which get talked about so much, are pre-defined. Creativity has gone almost completely out the window. That of course does not matter; because as we all know, balance is king.

I do, however, want to try and soften the blow of what I've written above, by saying that I really do like the RedNet system in MFR; and from everything I've seen, powercrystals is an unusually friendly and open person as far as mod developers go, as well, which I really appreciate.

I just miss things like ToggleBlocks which let me build much more weird and creative contraptions for doing things, is all. Maybe they weren't "balanced," no; but I think the paranoia about this game being realistic has gone way too far. People used to just play Minecraft in order to enjoy themselves.

This situation? "half a dozen mods?" This is a better outcome. Why? Redpower 2 is an object lesson in why. An ecosystem is resilient and diverse, people can come and go, it can grow and shrink as the community demands; all without even trying. Eloraam hits busy months at the right time and suddenly RP2 is gone and everyone flips out.

I keep seeing a persistent disdain here for mixed mod solutions asserted without even the vaguest sense of irony. I think it's funny given where we are.

I absolutely agree with you here. Now the only thing we need to do, is to prevent the authors of said mods, from using the Forgecraft server as a virtual country club, as well as getting rid of balance neurosis as mentioned above, and we'll be in good shape.[DOUBLEPOST=1371745790][/DOUBLEPOST]
Ok I have cleaned up the huge number of incredibly off topic posts. Do NOT make me go back through and hand out warnings. Get back on topic or start a thread for the tv show convo.

I appreciate this. Some of us were actually trying to have a legitimate conversation, here.
 

Petrus

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So, how was your thread necromancer training?

To repeat what I said earlier, I'm trying to have a legitimate conversation, here. If you're experiencing an urge to be immature, I'd suggest the offtopic subforum.[DOUBLEPOST=1371746853][/DOUBLEPOST]
And, while I agree with your points, I don't see how a rant about "balance" is related to Elo being active on Twitter about updating RedPower.

It came up in the post. Also, RP2 was referred to in said post, as being imbalanced. Hence, my refutation of the perceived need for concern about balance, in general.
 
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