Welp, elo's alive
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No, what it has almost finished is using the Ore Dictionary to duplicate the worldgen. So it'll keep your basalt and marble and gems and nikolite... that's about it.
I currently have about 22 days worth of audiobooks to listen to. (A fact which I'm sure to forget next time Audible has a sale...)
I'm special. I'm sexy. I'm fabulous. I'm hair. I'm honest. I'm brave. I'm above the influence. I'm so high I'm above the influence.
I first knew I was special when someone told me that audiobooks aren't for reading along. :c
And so humble too!
Audiobooks are great for when I'm driving or hiking (well not quite hiking but that sort of thing)
Time Travel Issues...
Whenever I see a Time Travel movie, like Meet the Robinsons.
In Meet the Robinsons, after all the events caused by the future existence of a robot by the name of Doris happen, the future creator of the robot decides that he will never create the robot, and so the robot winks out of existence.
So how would the events leading up to the non-existence of Doris ever happen if Doris never existed?
The boy would never decide not to invent Doris, and so Doris would be created, and all the events would occur, etc. etc.
Le sigh.
Read at least Good Omens.
Any anyone ... and I do mean just about anyone of the Disc world books.
You will either love him or hate him.
Indeed, this "winking out of existence" thing doesn't make any sense, because it's not just the robot that depends on its future creation, but the entire history of the timeline. Logically, time travel can't change anything, but authors come up with various literary devices (such as BTTF's "ripple effect") to try to get away with causing time travel to change just the things that are narratively convenient.
Every action you change makes a new timeline. There's the old one, where the bad stuff still happened, and then the new one, where the bad stuff didn't happen because the other timeline said "nope not allowed".
It may be depressing but it's not, really.
Movies are never right.
Loop:
- Doris is created in 30 years.
- Doris travels back in time and does stuff and things.
- Doris Creator decides that because of the stuff and things Doris did, he should never create Doris.
- Doris disappears.
- Doris existing -> Doris does bad stuff.
- Doris doing bad stuff -> Doris Creator never creates Doris.
- Doris never existing -> Doris never does bad stuff.
- Doris never doing bad stuff -> Doris Creator never has incentive not to create Doris.
- Doris Creator never having incentive not to create Doris -> Doris exists.
The only issue with the many worlds view on this is the inconceivable number of worlds that would get created ever Planck. It gets really really huge vary vary fast. It is not just in the planck you could have chosen two things. It that everything in the universe could have done multiple things at that moment and each one gets it own new world.
You really like that don'cha? I think you're not using it nearly enough.
This is why we need the No Topic Thread back open.
Eloraam is actually one of the immortals of our world.
So 'slow going' to her may have different meaning to us mortals.[DOUBLEPOST=1371103664][/DOUBLEPOST]
Its likely because RP was/is 100x more useful.
Also; people are turds.
So 'slow going' to her may have different meaning to us mortals.[DOUBLEPOST=1371103664][/DOUBLEPOST]
Its likely because RP was/is 100x more useful.
Also; people are turds.
Considering that there is actually no way to reason about anticausal subjects outside of the most simplistic quantum effects (in a universe we experience as causal, using brains evolved to be spectacularly specialized for seeing causal relationships even when they are not there) save by mathematical esoterica that less than 100 people worldwide truly understand, let's err on the side of drama.
Yep. The way I think of it, there are septillions of alternate universes where the only difference you can pick out between any two is the spin of a single atom in a star about 60 billion light-years away. Which means that the majority of travel to alternate universes is going to be rather boring, since unless you're insanely lucky, you're going to end up in a world that's insignificantly different to yours.
You may want to consider so few understand such things for many reasons, one being too much errs on the side of drama. Give up and give in to the God of gaps.
You know.... there is the possibility that time as we know it is not an act of motion but instead tiny single frames and it is only our conciseness that is moving between all these frames. In which every moment of your life you are traveling not as through time but hoping between alternate universes each of which is static a still of one moment. And it it the chaining of these moments of possibility that makes up our experience.
Yep, the loop essentially makes a Mobius Strip through time. But writers often follow the illogic of "the time traveler can't have existed now, so they suddenly don't" when the reality is that as soon as a time traveler arrives in the past, the future is different so they can't have arrived in the past. Or else it's now a different past and therefore nothing they can do can endanger their existence. *shrug*
I think that's based on a misunderstanding of what a 'world' really is, in the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics.
Suppose an electron might go through one of two slits depending on its spin. If we don't detect which slit it went through, we see an interference pattern. This is because instead of a solid object called an electron, we think of it as "for every possible location of everything in the universe, there's a probability that it is that way". And when (in the classical sense) the electron is passing through one slit or the other, for all possible permutations of the universe, the possibility that an electron is passing through slit A, or through slit B, with everything else continuing as normal, are the only states of the universe with any particularly high chance. You can think of them as 'blobs' of high probability around those arrangements of the universe, with rapidly less chance of other stuff in the universe being in slightly different places. Anyhow, as time goes on, those two blobs of probability spread out (as the electron may go in various directions after passing through either slit) and because these two blobs of probability (showing the high probabilities of the electron being in one region or the other, and the rest of the universe doing it's regular thing) are close together in 'phase space' (that's what the multidimensional space representing all possible arrangements of everything is called) they interact (because there are chances of the electron and everything else in the universe ending up in the same state no matter which slit the electron went through, and these are added together), causing constructing and destructive interference like pond ripples and we see our interference pattern.
Before the electron reached the slits, there was just one blob of high probability of where everything in the universe might be. But when presented with the slit, there were two separate regions of high probability. You can't say that one of the two happened and one didn't happen. The resulting interference pattern (which you see that after sending a ton of electrons through 1 at a time and seeing where they land) is a result of the interaction between the two different possible histories. At the beginning and the end you could say there was one world (or 1 small region in the space of all possibly arrangements of the universe that was likely) and the same at the end, but in the middle there were two worlds (or two separate regions of high probability among all possible arrangement of the universe).
Now when we add a detector to see which slit the electron went through, the interference pattern vanishes. Why?
Well, let's call the region of possibilities of the electron going through slit a Ea and the region of possibilities of it going through slit b Eb. Now when these interact with the detector, we get EDa and EDb. Which is to say that the group of possibilities surrounding the electron going through A and the detector detecting it at A is high, and the group of possibilities surrounding the electron through through B and the detector detecting it at B is also high, while the possibilities around the detector not detecting any electron, or detecting it in the wrong place, or the room being upside down, are extremely low. Now then I look at the detector (or rather, light from the detector's display reaches me) and we get EDIa and EDIb (yes I just wanted to write EDI). Which means the group of possibilities where I see the detector showing what it detected, and that it detected the right thing, are the two groups of possibilities that are very high and everything else (such as a dozen electrons in my hair suddenly jumping to my toes) is very unlikely. Now because the electron interated with the detector and thus eventually with everything else in this case, there are more things different between case A and case B. More stuff in the universe is somewhere else depending on which slit the electron went through (in classical terms. It's better to say that the configurations where the electrons went through different slits but everything else is the same are very unlikely). In the first experiment, the electron didn't interact with anything else, so in the likely possibilities where it went one way or the other, everything else was the same. So, because in this second experiment the blobs of high probability states of everything else in the universe have moved away from each other (stuff other than the electrons is highly likely to have changed too), these probabilities can't interact (because identical outcomes are not possible - or not likely enough to matter, and in the identical outcomes the detector failed) which means for the rest of time, there are two separate likely groups of states the universe might be in and they don't interact - there are "two worlds".
What I don't think anyone's quite figured out yet is how we can say something actually 'happens'. Since when we do experiments the outcomes follow the probability distributions we expect, but why exactly does it happen? In any case, it all adds up to normality and we get on with our lives.
The only reason the "other worlds" exist - if in fact they do - it's because they can't interact with the possibility of things being as we see them. In fact, the "worlds" only interact when they can have exactly the same outcome.
TL;DR if there's more than one way the universe might get to the same place, the chance of seeing one of them is found by adding the probabilities of the different ways of getting there, but if different paths lead different directions we only ever see one.
Snipped the wall of text not everyone is going to want to read that twice.
But yes in current quantum theory most of the time MWT is used to explain the probability of events and not actual extra worlds. But there is also some thought going into parallel world theory (at lest among those that believe in parallel realities). It issue is to most these two theories blur over. I mean you bring up M Theory and most people will glaze over.
I think the entire point of suggesting parallel worlds is to stop people from noticing the improbability of the one we're in now.
Um... I think we better get back to a safer topic. Like RP2!