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Succubism

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Flawed train of thought: electricity is everywhere in nature, and it took humanity a good long time to figure out that it even existed (and another good long time until it could be put to sensible use afterwards).

Just because something is everywhere doesn't mean that that thing is easy to understand. A casual observer might not even know what to look for in order to define what forms the core concept on which a thing is based (which is what Thaumcraft aspects are). Only with sufficient prior knowledge, the observer will even be able to see what he's looking at.

Just ask good doctor Faust on his opinion on the matter... ;)
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So what your saying is harnessing the power of electricity is on the same level as figuring out; "Grass is a herb and its in dirt."

Brilliant.

I think the good doctor would agree agriculture came before much everything else, especially electricity. winky face
 
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So what your saying is harnessing the power of electricity is on the same level as figuring out; "Grass is a herb and its in dirt."

Brilliant.

I think the good doctor would agree agriculture came before much everything else, especially electricity. winky face
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No, what I am saying is that if you try to explain the difference between the colors red and green to a blind person, chances are he will have major difficulties following you because he has no idea what the heck a "color" is. He lacks the implicit understanding of the entire concept of vision, even. So if, similarly, Minecraft Steve lacks the implicit understanding of the concept of life and growth, how is he supposed to know with which word he should define the concepts underlying grass, a living and growing thing? For his intents and purposes when he spawns in the world without prior knowledge, grass has always been there and will always be there. It might as well be funny green rock. Only when actively examining it, Minecraft Steve will notice that grass does in fact not behave like rock. But while he can chronicle the differences with ease, he still cannot completely explain or understand the differences without first understanding several much more fundamental concepts that ultimately combine to explain in one succint definition the reality of "herb". And these fundamental concepts may well be more numerous complex than he first imagined, because life itself is numerous and complex, despite being everywhere.

But honestly, you come across as pretty cynical in regards to this topic. I'll leave the discussion floor to people who agree with you again, then.
 
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No, what I am saying is that if you try to explain the difference between the colors red and green to a blind person, chances are he will have major difficulties following you because he has no idea what the heck a "color" is. He lacks the implicit understanding of the entire concept of vision, even. So if, similarly, Minecraft Steve lacks the implicit understanding of the concept of life and growth, how is he supposed to know with which word he should define the concepts underlying grass, a living and growing thing? For his intents and purposes when he spawns in the world without prior knowledge, grass has always been there and will always be there. It might as well be funny green rock. Only when actively examining it, Minecraft Steve will notice that grass does in fact not behave like rock. But while he can chronicle the differences with ease, he still cannot completely explain or understand the differences without first understanding several much more fundamental concepts that ultimately combine to explain in one succint definition the reality of "herb". And these fundamental concepts may well be more numerous complex than he first imagined, because life itself is numerous and complex, despite being everywhere.

But honestly, you come across as pretty cynical in regards to this topic. I'll leave the discussion floor to people who agree with you again, then.
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Except, Minecraft Steve is an avatar for humans who do understand the implicit concept of life and growth. To say one cannot understand concepts that we can see is true, but we can still identify that they do exist even though their composition and behavior may not be perfectly revealed. People have understood life and growth for centuries. We know that plants and animals are life. They grow and feed. We have not always understood the complex structures of organs, tissues, cells, organelles, macroscopic and microscopic molecules that are involved in the complete process, but we got the general idea. Even time as we know it is entirely abstract. All of us, understand the basic concepts of time. We know time passes, there will be time later and there always has been time. However, the fundemental physics of time are far too intricate for our current understanding of physics. We have yet to prove how exactly time functions and flows throughout the universe, but we still know it exists here and now. Point being, we can identify that there is something there, even though we may now know exactly how it works.

Ignoring the differences in our personal philosiphies, I think it could be agreed upon that things such as grass, metal, and the such in TC4 that can be found in abundance without any research, instead of entirely revealing them and their composition, make a note somewhere that it exists in a way so that people know that there's something there and that it does exist, but they will have to figure it out.
 
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Except, Minecraft Steve is an avatar for humans who do understand the implicit concept of life and growth.
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The aspect system is based on learning how the primal aspects cooperate and conflict to create various systems and on how to manipulate them.
 
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The aspect system is based on learning how the primal aspects cooperate and conflict to create various systems and on how to manipulate them.
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It's more of a "Doodle God" system if you've ever heard of it. You slap a couple items together to make a new one. You slap those together to make a new one. You combing various elements until you've collected them all. You're not learning how they cooperate and conflict or how to manipulate them. You're adding red + blue and learning that it makes green. You don't manipulate green, you just observe that the two primary colors create a different color.
 
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He he he. I hope you weren't carrying too much on you at the time.
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I was on a big exploration trip and lost damn near everything :(. It wasn't the falling that got me either because of my long fall boots, it was the clusterfuck of mobs it drew into the mix with me.
 
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I was on a big exploration trip and lost damn near everything :(. It wasn't the falling that got me either because of my long fall boots, it was the clusterfuck of mobs it drew into the mix with me.
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Ouch. Yeah. I made it a point to travel around my area destroying all the dark node obelisks I ran across and I stumbled across a hungry node. It got all the essences I got from the dark nodes, along with my equipped set of tinkers tools. I made sure to give that area a wide berth after that.
 
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ZeSapper

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Welp it eats nearby blocks and items and it also sucks any entities into it like a singularity. Fun times.
 
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I think the only would would be Ninja'd Force Wrench powers, because it would suck the glass to do a Node in a Jar.
 
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Succubism said:
Theretically no. You're just moving the blocks. The biome's still there and it will spread with more flux buildup.
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TC2 mechanism didn't use that system, right?
There was no taint biome AFAIK in TC2, but leaving taint to reach bedrock was a terrible idea iirc. ;)
 
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