Redpower 2 future in FTB?

  • Please make sure you are posting in the correct place. Server ads go here and modpack bugs go here
  • The FTB Forum is now read-only, and is here as an archive. To participate in our community discussions, please join our Discord! https://ftb.team/discord
Status
Not open for further replies.

Jyzarc

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
565
0
0
THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T.

Also, what's broken/unfinished?

Man. Where the fuck do I even start.

Enchanting.
Brewing.
Testificates.
Breeding.
Milking.
Hunger.
Combat.
Mob AI
Server/client disentangling.
Server/client comunication.
Weather.
Biomes.

Need I go on?
Pigs, sheep, chickens fit but horses are just crossing the line eh? Enchanting received major upgrades in both 1.3 and 1.4 brewing I would say is finished but I would like to see more potions, that said I have barely seen any mods that improve or add to brewinf. Villagers have also been slowly improving a little every update. Breeding, milking and basically everything else you mentioned I am pretty sure aren't "broken" they aren't very advanced mechanics. but thats silly to complain about them.[DOUBLEPOST=1365883798][/DOUBLEPOST]
I can respect opinions, I just couldn't help noticing that several posters who I normally find quite enjoyable to read were getting more and more boisterous and less and less insightful. Perhaps I'm just disappointed that this thread doesn't live up to what I know this community is capable of in terms of civil discussion.
I pretty much hate everyone on these forums now, so yeah you have a point

edit: I do like Ilovegregtech, even though I don't like gregtech
 

jumpfight5

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,750
0
1
I personally think that Mojang should just stop updating. I do appreciate that they're maintaining their game rather than saying "most people who will buy the game already have, we got the money so just forget it" like most publishers would. But let's face the truth:
  • No matter how many new items Mojang adds, they'll still just be playing catch-up to what mods have to offer.
  • While horses and hoppers are fine, adding more magic or more tech will interfere with the way some people want to play (if I want a pure medieval feel, I don't want vanilla adding pipes and quarries).
  • Let's face it, minecraft isn't a great game without mods. It's fun for a while, but I think mods play a huge role in keeping MC going. And they can't (or won't) update without breaking every mod and forcing mod authors to do significant code rewrites. Case in point, it's nice to have the new redstone system in 1.5.1, but that makes RP2 and any other redstone-heavy mod have to do a bunch of re-coding, which leads to issues with updates, which leads to this thread.
  • Most people are fine with MC the way it is. I don't know anyone who says "I would love to play MC, but I just can't bring myself to enjoy it until they add horses." The few people who may think that way already have Mo Creatures or Simply Horses.
I'd much rather see Mojang get started on Minecraft 2. They trolled us for April Fools, but let's be honest here. If they spent the time to truly make a Minecraft 2, a new game from the ground up with more options, much better optimization (and preferably not Java), better mod support, better graphics, and a more lively world (physics engine, anyone?), I think a lot of people would gladly pay another $30 for it, especially if it used the model that makes regular MC so successful (you can play for free, it's just a "premium" account, so people who don't usually buy a lot of games can get into it, then decide to pay).


It's win-win. We get a better game, they get more money. Let's be honest MC isn't going to last forever in its current state. FTB Ultimate pretty much pushes it to the limit in terms of how much you can add before the engine just can't handle it anymore.
What Mojang needs is to better work with the modders and server owners.
I started minecraft, SSP. Got bored.
Then I played SMP. That was very fun, but still got boring after a while. I tried different types of servers, PvP, Survival, even Creative. All of them got boring with the limited choices I had.
Here comes mods! I downloaded the Clay Soldiers mod. It was fun to play with, but, of course, this mod doesn't add anything to the game.
Then, I found out about Tekkit. I played that and had a lot of fun. Single player, of course. I didn't like asking questions or relying on people so much, so I decided to play SSP until I knew a good amount of Tekkit. I got bored with that and good enough that I could play on a server.
Server was fun, played there for a while, made a town, made some friends, etc.
Then, I found out about FTB. I skipped SSP because I had a lot of knowledge on the mods from Tekkit, so I jumped straight into SMP.

So, as you can see from my personal experience, SSP is not nearly as fun as SMP. I guess some people would disagree, but I believe I'm in the majority in this particular case. Mods also add a lot of fun to the game. I never even thought of a factory, or automatic mining, or using old things in new, interesting, and different ways.

I think that Mojang itself should add mods. Keep Minecraft at where it is, and add horses and add hoppers and add whatever. Then make it so that modders can't get money from their mods (will help the community bigtime), and pay (yes, with money) really good modders out there. When you start up the game, you can add Mojang's mods to it (fixes in bugs) without going online and downloading it. Then, you can choose whether to have it or not. Like the broken enchanting? Cool. Keep it. Don't like it? Good, you're like me. Go download the mod right on the Minecraft title screen.[DOUBLEPOST=1365884087][/DOUBLEPOST]
Pigs, sheep, chickens fit but horses are just crossing the line eh? Enchanting received major upgrades in both 1.3 and 1.4 brewing I would say is finished but I would like to see more potions, that said I have barely seen any mods that improve or add to brewinf. Villagers have also been slowly improving a little every update. Breeding, milking and basically everything else you mentioned I am pretty sure aren't "broken" they aren't very advanced mechanics. but thats silly to complain about them.
If mojang--with their actual jobs and their payment so that they don't have to go work at a job and work on minecraft and just work on minecraft while being paid enough so that they don't have to get a second job--doesn't have enough time, that's odd. But if they don't, they should work on villagers all out. Work on milk, or work on potions. Fix them one at a time. Oh, you completely fixed villagers? Good! Now time for the milk! Biomes? Weather? Everything Poppycocks says: When they finish that, I think they should then work on making horses, or hoppers, or anything else.
 

Jyzarc

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
565
0
0
What Mojang needs is to better work with the modders and server owners.
I started minecraft, SSP. Got bored.
Then I played SMP. That was very fun, but still got boring after a while. I tried different types of servers, PvP, Survival, even Creative. All of them got boring with the limited choices I had.
Here comes mods! I downloaded the Clay Soldiers mod. It was fun to play with, but, of course, this mod doesn't add anything to the game.
Then, I found out about Tekkit. I played that and had a lot of fun. Single player, of course. I didn't like asking questions or relying on people so much, so I decided to play SSP until I knew a good amount of Tekkit. I got bored with that and good enough that I could play on a server.
Server was fun, played there for a while, made a town, made some friends, etc.
Then, I found out about FTB. I skipped SSP because I had a lot of knowledge on the mods from Tekkit, so I jumped straight into SMP.

So, as you can see from my personal experience, SSP is not nearly as fun as SMP. I guess some people would disagree, but I believe I'm in the majority in this particular case. Mods also add a lot of fun to the game. I never even thought of a factory, or automatic mining, or using old things in new, interesting, and different ways.

I think that Mojang itself should add mods. Keep Minecraft at where it is, and add horses and add hoppers and add whatever. Then make it so that modders can't get money from their mods (will help the community bigtime), and pay (yes, with money) really good modders out there. When you start up the game, you can add Mojang's mods to it (fixes in bugs) without going online and downloading it. Then, you can choose whether to have it or not. Like the broken enchanting? Cool. Keep it. Don't like it? Good, you're like me. Go download the mod right on the Minecraft title screen.[DOUBLEPOST=1365884087][/DOUBLEPOST]
If mojang--with their actual jobs and their payment so that they don't have to go work at a job and work on minecraft and just work on minecraft while being paid enough so that they don't have to get a second job--doesn't have enough time, that's odd. But if they don't, they should work on villagers all out. Work on milk, or work on potions. Fix them one at a time. Oh, you completely fixed villagers? Good! Now time for the milk! Biomes? Weather? Everything Poppycocks says: When they finish that, I think they should then work on making horses, or hoppers, or anything else.
you completely misquoted me
 

jumpfight5

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,750
0
1
you completely misquoted me
How would you like to be quoted? That's what I derived from your statement, tell me what you meant.

Yes, it's true that I removed the part where you hate everybody, but I didn't find that to be particularly on topic or helpful to the thread. Want me to add it back in?
 

13552

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
75
0
0
I see where you're coming from Jumpfight, and I don't think that would be a bad thing. But the community has already basically done that with the FTB launcher. I'm saying that Mojang would be better off to just leave regular MC alone, let the modders and community keep improving it, and get started on Minecraft 2.

Totally agree though that they should change their license so modders can't make money on mods. I'd go further and require as part of the license that modders have to allow further derivative works, and be open source, so no more closed-source highly protected mods [cough * Redpower * cough]
 
  • Like
Reactions: jumpfight5

DoctorOr

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,735
0
0
I personally think that Mojang should just stop updating.

This is silly, and you're wrong to think that that would magically make all mods functional for all time. Instead, major changes would be taken over by Forge, and individual mods would require specific versions of forge - with new content coming only for newer versions of Forge and with specific outliers taking forever to update and holding modpacks hostage in the process.

And in the meantime, we'd be stuck with some pretty significantly bad core design of Minecraft...forever.
 

Jyzarc

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
565
0
0
How would you like to be quoted? That's what I derived from your statement, tell me what you meant.

Yes, it's true that I removed the part where you hate everybody, but I didn't find that to be particularly on topic or helpful to the thread. Want me to add it back in?
No, you added to my quote which didnt make sense

edit: it seems that you either changed it or it was a glitch or something
 

jumpfight5

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,750
0
1
What I have in my post:
Pigs, sheep, chickens fit but horses are just crossing the line eh? Enchanting received major upgrades in both 1.3 and 1.4 brewing I would say is finished but I would like to see more potions, that said I have barely seen any mods that improve or add to brewinf. Villagers have also been slowly improving a little every update. Breeding, milking and basically everything else you mentioned I am pretty sure aren't "broken" they aren't very advanced mechanics. but thats silly to complain about them.
Your quote from your post.
Pigs, sheep, chickens fit but horses are just crossing the line eh? Enchanting received major upgrades in both 1.3 and 1.4 brewing I would say is finished but I would like to see more potions, that said I have barely seen any mods that improve or add to brewinf. Villagers have also been slowly improving a little every update. Breeding, milking and basically everything else you mentioned I am pretty sure aren't "broken" they aren't very advanced mechanics. but thats silly to complain about them.[DOUBLEPOST=1365883798][/DOUBLEPOST]
I pretty much hate everyone on these forums now, so yeah you have a point

edit: I do like Ilovegregtech, even though I don't like gregtech

Again, besides the part where you hate everyone, the posts are exactly the same.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
 

Saice

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
4,020
0
1
I can respect opinions, I just couldn't help noticing that several posters who I normally find quite enjoyable to read were getting more and more boisterous and less and less insightful. Perhaps I'm just disappointed that this thread doesn't live up to what I know this community is capable of in terms of civil discussion.
I pretty much hate everyone on these forums now, so yeah you have a point

edit: I do like Ilovegregtech, even though I don't like gregtech

I would not say I hate everyone thats a little much.

But I did exit the RP2 debate in this thread pretty much becuase of what Neirin pointed out. It was getting pretty bad and you can only speak your mind so much before you start sounding like a closed minded asshat. I like to voice my opion but I know when it becomes pointless to do so and I really hate sounding like I'm telling people how to play or that their opnion is wrong. A good life lesson I picked up along the way is to knew when it is best to just shut up and get out before drama starts flying around.
 

13552

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
75
0
0
This is silly, and you're wrong to think that that would magically make all mods functional for all time. Instead, major changes would be taken over by Forge, and individual mods would require specific versions of forge - with new content coming only for newer versions of Forge and with specific outliers taking forever to update and holding modpacks hostage in the process.

Yeah, that also wouldn't be good, although I think Forge would do a better job of keeping mod compatibility than regular Minecraft.

And in the meantime, we'd be stuck with some pretty significantly bad core design of Minecraft...forever.

When I first read this I thought you were talking about the way Mojang updates.
 

jumpfight5

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,750
0
1
This is silly, and you're wrong to think that that would magically make all mods functional for all time. Instead, major changes would be taken over by Forge, and individual mods would require specific versions of forge - with new content coming only for newer versions of Forge and with specific outliers taking forever to update and holding modpacks hostage in the process.

And in the meantime, we'd be stuck with some pretty significantly bad core design of Minecraft...forever.

So fix everything wrong in minecraft, and then stop updating?[DOUBLEPOST=1365884794][/DOUBLEPOST]
I would not say I hate everyone thats a little much.

But I did exit the RP2 debate in this thread pretty much becuase of what Neirin pointed out. It was getting pretty bad and you can only speak your mind so much before you start sounding like a closed minded asshat. I like to voice my opion but I know when it becomes pointless to do so and I really hate sounding like I'm telling people how to play or that their opnion is wrong. A good life lesson I picked up along the way is to knew when it is best to just shut up and get out before drama starts flying around.
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
 

13552

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
75
0
0
So fix everything wrong in minecraft, and then stop updating?

Best of all worlds.

We're not going to truly fix minecraft without rebuilding it from the ground up. The optimization is just not there; no game that looks this bad should be this hard to run. I'm not saying we need to get all AAA gaming and have pretty graphics, but the game should be optimized to run better and that will probably mean a new engine, and why not add new features and some better graphics when you're at it? Minecraft 2 needs to happen, and within the next few years, or MC will eventually be replaced. Just go look at games like Starforge. Not saying it's an MC killer (it's quite different) but it's only a matter of time.
 

jumpfight5

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,750
0
1
Best of all worlds.

We're not going to truly fix minecraft without rebuilding it from the ground up. The optimization is just not there; no game that looks this bad should be this hard to run. I'm not saying we need to get all AAA gaming and have pretty graphics, but the game should be optimized to run better and that will probably mean a new engine, and why not add new features and some better graphics when you're at it? Minecraft 2 needs to happen, and within the next few years, or MC will eventually be replaced. Just go look at games like Starforge. Not saying it's an MC killer (it's quite different) but it's only a matter of time.
The bad part about that is it's going to start a series thing. A sandbox game can only be improved on, if you make a second alliteration, people won't be happy. If there's a whole series (as we last left off, the hero, Steve just defeated the ender dragon. Little did he know, the End was actually a hub of hundreds of worlds and had to find the shrine of the creep to return to his homeland), I would not be happy.
If Mojang makes MC2, then 3, and 4, and 5 would come out. Then it'd end up being like apple. The 4 can run Siri, just sayin :p
 

13552

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
75
0
0
The bad part about that is it's going to start a series thing. A sandbox game can only be improved on, if you make a second alliteration, people won't be happy. If there's a whole series (as we last left off, the hero, Steve just defeated the ender dragon. Little did he know, the End was actually a hub of hundreds of worlds and had to find the shrine of the creep to return to his homeland), I would not be happy.
If Mojang makes MC2, then 3, and 4, and 5 would come out. Then it'd end up being like apple. The 4 can run Siri, just sayin :p

I don't mean adding a story to MC, I just mean making a new engine and re-coding the game. Since this would be a significant improvement and basically means making the game over again, rather than just patching, I think it would be fair to call it a sequel and charge for it.

Just like when Sim City 4 came out and replaced Sim City 3000. It's still the same sandbox city-building game, but with a new engine and more features. As long as EA doesn't eventually buy Mojang we should be fine.
 

Poppycocks

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,914
0
0
Pigs, sheep, chickens fit but horses are just crossing the line eh? Enchanting received major upgrades in both 1.3 and 1.4 brewing I would say is finished but I would like to see more potions, that said I have barely seen any mods that improve or add to brewinf. Villagers have also been slowly improving a little every update. Breeding, milking and basically everything else you mentioned I am pretty sure aren't "broken" they aren't very advanced mechanics. but thats silly to complain about them.
I like you, you're smart.


To be honest I don't even know why I feel that horses are crossing that line. And yeah, it's just a feeling I have no logical reasoning to call it otherwise. But ... I'd much rather if they used pigs or wolves for steeds. Add a little training minigame by using the carrot on a stick or a bone on a stick. That would be nice. And would be very minecrafty imo. Kids would love it as well, which is I reckon who they're aiming horses at. I mean pig riding has been one of minecrafts signature elements, why not go with it?

Decreasing the amount of books or linearizing lvl gains somewhat isn't an enchanting upgrade. It's just putting bandaids on a very badly thought out system. BTW does this well for example. You can find arcane scrolls from mobdrops and apply those to tools/armor. Kinda like books, but on the table. That is a very nice touch, although I'd personally go with something more magicky, like shards or runes or whatever, it's kinda silly that spiders drop scrolls. Speaking of the anvil, another bandaid. Honestly bad balance as well, which wouldn't have to be there in the first place if the original system was though out better. Also, anvil for combining books with items? Okay.

Brewing is... not terribad. but a bit too gimped for real use. Potions would make a better balance if they stacked to... 8. Or something, 3 for splash potions perhaps. Drinking could be faster... And yeah, there's a plenty of opportunities for more potion buffs / more complicated brewing. The system just feels very fun, but very unfinished and mostly useless at the moment.

The small things... aren't small. Attention to detail is what makes a professional. The game lacks... what's the word. consistency. We already have sheep that need to eat to get more wool (the regrowth is too fast by the way), why not apply the same to cows and mooshrooms for milk and shroom soup?

Villagers are complete nonsense, they're just human shaped pigs with a GUI, to be perfectly honest, It'd be much better if they've been creative/adventure mode only. A nice little tool for mapmakers. I liked the world before they've been included. I have been alone and, yes, yearning for companions, but testificates (and wolves) have failed horribly to fill that void. I only ever felt left down when coming into contact with either and I believe that that's reason enough to not include them. Not the only one though. The whole villager thing feels like an amateur mod, a cross between a badly done Milenaire and ee3. So people just abuse 'em to get OP trades and kill 'em off if they don't trade good. What does mojang do? Bandaid it with a village reputation boolean variable, 15 lines of code max, nice.

<poshbritish>"Well dear villager, follow me into this dark forest, I'll show you a hairy squirrel conveniently hidden under my lava bucket."</poshbritish>

I fail to see the "slow improvement".

</rant>
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lambert2191

jumpfight5

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,750
0
1
The whole villager thing feels like an amateur mod, a cross between a badly done Milenaire and ee3. So people just abuse 'em to get OP trades and kill 'em off if they don't trade good. What does mojang do? Bandaid it with a village reputation boolean variable, 15 lines of code max, nice.

<poshbritish>"Well dear villager, follow me into this dark forest, I'll show you a hairy squirrel conveniently hidden under my lava bucket."</poshbritish>

I fail to see the "slow improvement".

</rant>
If they did this bandaid for a week or so, until the next update, I would be perfectly fine.
But leaving it there, is not right.
 

DoctorOr

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,735
0
0
Villagers are complete nonsense, they're just human shaped pigs with a GUI

That's because they're mutants.

Face it, Minecraft is a post apocalyptic world, with Steve being the last surviving member of humanity. All other humans are zombies. It's been long enough that all the mammals have become hermaphrodites and a wing of the pig family has mutated into a bipedal humanoid shape.
 

Poppycocks

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,914
0
0
That's because they're mutants.

Face it, Minecraft is a post apocalyptic world, with Steve being the last surviving member of humanity. All other humans are zombies. It's been long enough that all the mammals have become hermaphrodites and a wing of the pig family has mutated into a bipedal humanoid shape.
You know, that actually makes me feel better about them. Poor things, maybe we should slaughter them all to end the anguish.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ApSciLiara

ApSciLiara

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
1,216
0
0
You know, that actually makes me feel better about them. Poor things, maybe we should slaughter them all to end the anguish.
You can't spell slaughter without laughter! The only good way to slaughter a population is with a big smile on your bloodied face.
 

Jyzarc

New Member
Jul 29, 2019
565
0
0
I like you, you're smart.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. I kinda understand everything else you are saying, I don't think enchanting is all that bad. My understanding when it was originally added was it was supposed to be like you throw it in the enchanting table and get random buffs. People became picky and wanted specific ones and complained that it was too hard. But I do like enchanted books. better then wolves is a pretty bad example of how Mojang should do things. Because you know, then we wouldn't have mods. Yeah sometimes I nbtedit all my potions into one stack, but it is a bit of a pain to do, and impossible on servers (unless you are the owner) As a mapmaker(kinda) I LOVE villagers, in game they are sorta useless. I like villages but maybe they should just be abandoned like everything else. Or they should work with the modder of tale of kingdoms or something.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.