Modpack Release
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As someone who has played a pack with RotaryCraft and GregTech, they do not play nicely gameplay-wise. It basically makes you able to completely ignore all of GT once you get a few of the steam machines.
Binnies made the loading time sooooo slow in the closed alpha, that it was removed before release. At least according to someone in a Slowpoke stream.
Once I thought that almost any mod would destroy Rotarycraft's gameplay and balance, but then I saw some of Reika's world tour videos and I was inspired. He even uses those rf to rotarycraft dynamos and engines and has loads of cross-mod "exploits". I'm just defending RotaryCraft, I can't say the same about Greg.
Yeah I guess I'm not sure why TE is here. I mean I know Ultimate but I'm not sure that TE is the same now as it was then. RF power really has no place in a GT pack as it's just to easy and kind of breaks the feel IMHO.
I could be completely wrong here. Not trying to tell anybody what to do. Just giving my opinion on what it feels like.
I could be completely wrong here. Not trying to tell anybody what to do. Just giving my opinion on what it feels like.
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I like the Ore-Gen. It makes it so that you're not having to explore for HOURS just to find a mountain high enough to make even a little Bronze. Many players would probably just quit before that.
As for TE- maybe nerf the standard machine frame down to requiring bronze. I think removing it and calling it broken is just a little far.
Just remember- this is a pack based off Ultimate. Not Gregtech. I managed to make quite a lot in Ultimate, without ever touching Gregtech.
Ah. When you said oregen, I thought you just meant the levels at which they spawn. Not the exceptionally derpy ores themselves.
Just try to put one on a Carpenters block and break it. Go on
As for tin, config says
As I could never find any underground, I assumed the higher MinHeight was correct.
Also, I meant buff. not Nerf. Bronze is harder to get than iron. My bad. Please don't put me in the corner again!
Just try to put one on a Carpenters block and break it. Go on
As for tin, config says
Code:
I:MaxHeight_120=120
I:MinHeight_40=40
I:MinHeight_80=80Also, I meant buff. not Nerf. Bronze is harder to get than iron. My bad. Please don't put me in the corner again!
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I would make more indepth suggestions but I need information. Hence why my posts are more questions along the lines of: "Why ExU?", "Why MFR?" and "Why not BR?", "Why no EIO?" Without knowing the stance of "Why?" there is realy no point trying to explain why they should or shoudnt be there. Additionally, an anouncment topic is realy not the place to provide such feedback, wich hooks into "Why was there no suggestion topic?". Such a topic would be a great place to lay out the goals of the pack and the idealogy. Both of wich we do not have. So again, whats the point trying to suggest annything if we dont have the information required to make said suggestions?
+1 for comming around and actually making public your interesting in feedback. Now I suggest you take the extra step and make a proper suggestion topic for the Ressurection modpack outlining what the goals are so we can actually give proper feedback. As after all, making a pack for the public is much like a dialog:
Dialog example:
FTB) Hey guys, we are interested in making a modpack centered around *insert theme*. What would you like like to see? What are your ideas?
FTB) Hey guys, we have an alpha version of the pack. We have included *insert modlist* but have concerns about *insert mods*. We would like some playtesting so we can hit our mark. We are also waiting on *insert mods*.
FTB) Right guys, we have hit Beta. We have settled on this *insert modlist*. We didnt include *insert mod* for *insert reasons* and maneged to fix *insert problems* by doing *insert solution* And are mostly looking for anny remaining bugs.
FTB) Great we fixed the bugs and are now offically released!
FTB) Hey guys, we are interested in making a modpack centered around *insert theme*. What would you like like to see? What are your ideas?
Community) Well *insert mod* would be great! Config for this and that for *insert reasons*
FTB) Hey guys, we have an alpha version of the pack. We have included *insert modlist* but have concerns about *insert mods*. We would like some playtesting so we can hit our mark. We are also waiting on *insert mods*.
Community) Well maybe do *insert config/mod suggestions* because *insert reasons*.
FTB) Right guys, we have hit Beta. We have settled on this *insert modlist*. We didnt include *insert mod* for *insert reasons* and maneged to fix *insert problems* by doing *insert solution* And are mostly looking for anny remaining bugs.
Community) Hey we found *insert bugs*
FTB) Great we fixed the bugs and are now offically released!
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No "WHY YOU NO ?" discussion is complete without the obligatory:
The default hight changed a few versions of GT ago. Min height 40 is now the right one, the 80 does not work anymore. It was lowered since many complained about not finding any tin ores.Ah. When you said oregen, I thought you just meant the levels at which they spawn. Not the exceptionally derpy ores themselves.
Just try to put one on a Carpenters block and break it. Go on
As for tin, config says
As I could never find any underground, I assumed the higher MinHeight was correct.Code:I:MaxHeight_120=120 I:MinHeight_40=40 I:MinHeight_80=80
Also, I meant buff. not Nerf. Bronze is harder to get than iron. My bad. Please don't put me in the corner again!
Just so everyone knows, I do follow this thread and I do take everyones suggestions and note them. However I can't add every mod that is suggested for various reasons. I plan on doing a reddit AMA on FTB Resurrestion in the next couple of days. I will be sure to post here when I figure out a date/time. Hopefully many of your questions will be answered. Please remember this pack is in alpha and big updates are on the way with tons more custom changes and fixes to improve gameplay and the pack overall.
A lot of people ask why no Extra Bees. Short answer the mod dev is AFK and the mod is not updated anymore. It does not play nice with gregtech and a few other things in the pack like the newer versions of BC/ExU and Foresty. The team is working on importing all the bees/traits from extra bees into Gendustry, once this is finished I will add it into Resurrestion.
When this project started the idea was to replace FTB Ultimate in a 1.7 environment, however once I started building the pack I soon discovered that was impossible due to the sheer number of changes in mods and some mods no longer being available. But I still use Utimate as inspiration for this pack, and hope by beta/release I can achieve a similar "game play" feel.
Mods that will not be included and the reasons:
EnderIO - breaks GT progression and too redundant to TE. Also uses more resources than TE in an SMP environment.
Binnies Mods - Read 2nd paragraph
Tinkers Construct - really doesn't have a fit and GT offers some pretty nice tools that are very similar.
-will expand on this list during AMA.
Mods to be added
-Funky Locomotion
-Thermal Dynamics or FluxDucts...whatever the name will be.
-Modular Powersuits
-and a few more I don't want to disclose until further testing is completed.
Changes-
-Tool Mining Levels will be assigned to all ore (no more wooden pick axes to get diamond ore)
-TE will be custom balanced to fit GT progression.
-and lots more!
In short I didn't want to make this pack too difficult but it seems that is what people want. After reading a lot of feed back I may shift course with this pack and focus more on GT integration with most of the mods. I would like to get everyone's opinion on that of course. So could everyone please post what direction you would like to see this pack go, and not what mods need to be added or removed. Thank you!
A lot of people ask why no Extra Bees. Short answer the mod dev is AFK and the mod is not updated anymore. It does not play nice with gregtech and a few other things in the pack like the newer versions of BC/ExU and Foresty. The team is working on importing all the bees/traits from extra bees into Gendustry, once this is finished I will add it into Resurrestion.
When this project started the idea was to replace FTB Ultimate in a 1.7 environment, however once I started building the pack I soon discovered that was impossible due to the sheer number of changes in mods and some mods no longer being available. But I still use Utimate as inspiration for this pack, and hope by beta/release I can achieve a similar "game play" feel.
Mods that will not be included and the reasons:
EnderIO - breaks GT progression and too redundant to TE. Also uses more resources than TE in an SMP environment.
Binnies Mods - Read 2nd paragraph
Tinkers Construct - really doesn't have a fit and GT offers some pretty nice tools that are very similar.
-will expand on this list during AMA.
Mods to be added
-Funky Locomotion
-Thermal Dynamics or FluxDucts...whatever the name will be.
-Modular Powersuits
-and a few more I don't want to disclose until further testing is completed.
Changes-
-Tool Mining Levels will be assigned to all ore (no more wooden pick axes to get diamond ore)
-TE will be custom balanced to fit GT progression.
-and lots more!
In short I didn't want to make this pack too difficult but it seems that is what people want. After reading a lot of feed back I may shift course with this pack and focus more on GT integration with most of the mods. I would like to get everyone's opinion on that of course. So could everyone please post what direction you would like to see this pack go, and not what mods need to be added or removed. Thank you!
Thats pretty much the feel I was getting from this threat. Please for clarities sake mention you are remaking ultimate in the style of unhinged. That way its clear its a gregtech focussed pack unlike ultimate.
What breaks GT progressions? And that cant be fixed with putting an enderium machine frame (you should understand that effectively puts enderIO behind TE in progression and beyond GT's bronze age)?
Also "too redundant" please....
Green is unique, yellow is similair but different, red is overlap. Not shown: powered tools/armor wich removes the need for MPS/RA.
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User friendlyness does not kill creativeness. Infact, some of those EnderIO blocks would be required for some of my most creative builds (Some alternatives exist within TC/TT). Infact, i'd agrue that all automated gathering machines are a way way WAY bigger offender for killing creative builds *looks at MFR/quary's/etc*. (Note: With creative I mean an unusual thought requiring build, not creative mode) So lets remove all forms of automated resource gathering and move to autonomous activators/block breakers and funky locomotion and cogs, yes? No? Oh, because this is different? How so? To difficult?
Isnt that in favor of gregtech? It means that people will sooner or later want to get into gregtech to process those ores? Whats the problem with this? Seems like a pure win as it encourages gregtech instead of forcing gregtech.
The conduits are hardly anny different then the TE's conduits outside that they fit within 1 block space and include 16 redstone signal's. Even troughput, 20k RF/t is a problem exactly how? Its no different from multiple tiers of EU wires. Heck, with my suggestion you cant even make the wires untill you can make enderium for the SAGmill/Alloy smelter.
but yeah i got bored of easy mods so i would like this pack go to the more difficult direction, but not make it impossible to get a new player in to it, but to keep it more enjoyable in any way. Watched a video of this pack, first it was fun, but then they figured out that TE is unghanged
I think this explains the problem quite well. The theme in this threat seems to be that there should be a set path to take to get material x. Anny deviation taking another mod that includes RF is suddenly seen as terrible because "its all been done before" AKA playstyle and personal preference. So I ask, how does this effect you? You are not forced to use TE(or EIO). You are not forced to do annything. You can play the pack however you want!
Steel recipy has been removed from TE (even though it requires 2.29 coal as opposed to 1 with RC blastfurnace)(EIO doesnt have a steel recipy) and ore doubling of non gregtech ores causes a problem? Easy fix: increase gregtech ore to non gregtech ore ratio.
This doesn't have to be true. See the Infitech 2 pack for an example of EIO (and a bunch of other mods) can coexist and compliment GT.
That could be.
It almost seems like what is wanted here is Infitech 2, but on easy(ier) mode...
The problem with EnderIO is, that it only adds functionality other mods already have, the pipes are the only things that are kind of unique but way to overpowered, recipe tweaks won't help you with this one and the EnderIO. The only real reason, why people want to get this mod is to make the whole pack easier, because they really enjoy the easy piping system and are not ready for something with great game depth like the Gregtech pipes, because people always want to keep their habits even if they could try something new and maybe better.
All ore is GregTech ore and GregTech itself adds processing of all ores to TE machines. Therefore the only solution to ore doubling being easy via other means is to make those other means have recipes whose cost is inversely proportional to their ease of use.
Perhaps quoting the right target will help? Since I am basing it of the information provided in this very topic.
I dunno, I dont think your focussing on the right point here. Pipes that may or may not explode isnt exactly game depth, unless I am missing something significant? Do explain of thats the case. Untill then, try to explain to me how mods like MFR or quarries are a good thing? Keep in mind: EnderIO's version's of the harvester/grinder require more thought/work then MFR, as do frame machines and autonomous activator based contraptions wich greatly benefit from things like the void chest and the aversion/atraction/experience obelisk.