Hellish Alveary

[Monapolis]

My friend and I have been working on bees and trying to get as many bees as possible to work in one area. So we have set up a grass table in the ocean and it works for all the bees we have to date except embittered. We have two alveary's for wintry and modest bees and they work fine, but I'm not sure how to get an alveary to get to "hellish". We also set one up in a desert biome and still nothing. We can't get it past 250%. What set up is necessary to create hellish temps? Also what pipes or source of power? I'm using electric engines with ultimate solar panels. Golden conductive tube (wooden conductive attached to engine because for some reason gold won't let them work) to connect to the heaters.
On a side note, sometimes my my apiaries in the nether doesn't recognize the nether wart next to it and claims the bees can't find the right flowers. This is all with 100% embittered bees. No mutations or such.
Any help would be awesome!!
Mona

 

[hotblack desiato]

try the nether.

embittered bees are from there... and the temperature is hellish

 

[Mash]

I think he's looking for a way to recreate hellish in the overworld.

I would actually like to know if that's possible, as well.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

Jungle biome, or a heated alveary, really should suffice.

That said, I thought 200% was "hellish". 250% is... well, I don't know what that is. Perhaps I've gotten my numbers mixed up. Or perhaps you've crossed the line and made it too hot even for the embittered bees!

Frankly you're better of with the acclimatiser. Note that some bees won't mutate unless they're in the nether no matter WHAT you do, so you may as well keep at least some infrastructure there.

 

[Monapolis]

I wouldn't think jungle would work cuz it's humid there.
250% brings it to hot/arid with the use of 4 heaters underneath. I've up'd the number of heaters I've used and it doesn't make a diff. I did notice just now that it does say under climate that hellish can't "normally" be simulated even with an alveary so I guess that answers it. I thought I had read somewhere that you can get hellish in hotter biomes, but I've tried in desert and savannah and nothing. Oh well!! Still if anyone has done it do let me know!

 

[Futalis]

Try going in a jungle and then inoculating your embittered bees with down 2/3 temp tolerance. Also heads up, for the breedings, I've had a lot more luck mutating in the nether than the overworld....at least for those lines.

 

[Chocorate]

Frankly you're better of with the acclimatiser. Note that some bees won't mutate unless they're in the nether no matter WHAT you do, so you may as well keep at least some infrastructure there.

And if you're like me, you can't get around to building in the Nether without a purpose. This gives you an incentive!

 

[Futalis]

Frankly you're better of with the acclimatiser. Note that some bees won't mutate unless they're in the nether no matter WHAT you do, so you may as well keep at least some infrastructure there.

I've had very poor luck with hellish/modest bees in an acclimatiser temp wise....10+ stacks of ice and no change. I highly recommend inoculation, much faster.

 

[Bellaabzug21]

You could fill almost the entire alveary with heaters. The first two layers should do it and then you would have two slots left for frames or something. Not sure, but I believe you could put the bee into an acclimatiser with water to tone down it's temperature requirement. It may still require the humidity of the nether though so you could use hygroregulators for that. I also believe that jungles have a hellish climate still. May have changed in the last few updates though.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

I've had very poor luck with hellish/modest bees in an acclimatiser temp wise....10+ stacks of ice and no change. I highly recommend inoculation, much faster.

Yes, but where are you going to get the trait to inoculate? Sure, you can get both/2 off rocky bees without too much trouble, but to get the maxed versions (both/5) in serum form you've gotta go through the acclimatiser first.

 

[Bibble]

I believe that the best you can get "naturally" is both 3 from doctoral bees.

 

[ex13]

Don't know if it has been said before, but you can't get Hellish temperature outside of a hell biome (nether). Both hot and hellish are 200% temperature, but are distinguished by the biome, so there is nothing you can do. This means, that any bee that needs hellish temperature and should be kept in the overworld needs at least -1 temperature tolerance

Also keep in mind, that some mutations are biome specific, even if you match temperature and tolerance perfectly they wont happen in the wrong biome. Same is true for the production of specialties for default forestry bees. For example the austere bee: You wont get powdery comb in a different that is not hot/arid, even if you get to hot/arid through alveary heaters (imho, not tested).

Finally, I would always prefer just giving the bees the right tolerances (though acclimatizer/serums), and just ignoring the alveary heaters and co. In the end, its easier and doesn't need a power supply once you got the tolerances you need.

 

[Ako_the_Builder]

Recipe for any bees in a normal/normal:

2 bees (princess and drone), 1 acclimatiser, a shit tonne of blaze powder - keep feeding the acclimatiser until you have both/5 temperature tolerance on both bees. (If needed increase their fertility so you can get some extra drones) Use the isolator to pull the both/5 temp tolerance into a serum and blammo! You can now have any species of bee happily live in a normal biome. For humidity the most you need is both/2

 

[Monapolis]

I agree @Chocorate! I haven't gone into nether very much at all and the idea of taking all this to a diff area kinda sucks. BUT I'll do what I gotta do! One thing that sucks is having to be within a certain distance of your work for it to continue running. Otherwise I could build the nether beehive and leave it to run and check on it now and then. *sigh*
So to date the bees I've managed to obtain on my ocean table are Diligent, Cultivated, Valiant, Common, Excited, Ancient, Primeval, Imperial, Noble, Industrious, Majestic, Safron, and Unweary. With the two alvearies I've got the cold and hot temp for the extreme biomes. With the dragon egg I got Ender bees to work. All this on our ocean table. We'll see how far it can go tho. So embittered bees do work to mutate here in normal apiaries as long as when it becomes a queen its not an embittered queen.
Wow inoculation? There is so much about the bees I still need to learn!!!!

 

[Monapolis]

Oh yes my friend and i r def newbs!!! Thats y earlier i was asking about the best set up. I was thinking there must be a better way to power it. I figured maybe i wasn't using the right materials.

 

[LexLuthier]

I have a Demonic-Heroic hybrid I'm working on and it's calling for hellish temp. So I go to the nether and... WTF? Still says hot, and hostile for the Queen. I can't get it to not say hostile... what's going on?

 

[namiasdf]

From what I hear, you can simulate the nether in an alveary, but you cannot replicate the "nether" requirement for the mutation to occur. Hope this helps.

 

[LexLuthier]

Well it never would work so a stack of snowballs in an acclimitizer and... Still no Esoteric, but soon!

 

[Cirom]

One thing that sucks is having to be within a certain distance of your work for it to continue running. Otherwise I could build the nether beehive and leave it to run and check on it now and then. *sigh*

A Chunk Loader will solve that problem. Place a chunk loader near your machines, and make sure the chunk loader covers the distance of your machines ("View Lasers" and the [F9] button help here) - whatever is in the area of the chunk loader will stay "loaded", even if you walk away. Useful for running things overnight and such!

Although it can cause lag if you place too many chunkloaders (as your game is still running those chunks, as WELL as the chunks around you!) - most servers I know of set the chunk loading limit to 50 or 100 chunks per player.

 

[Agouti]

I have a Demonic-Heroic hybrid I'm working on and it's calling for hellish temp. So I go to the nether and... WTF? Still says hot, and hostile for the Queen. I can't get it to not say hostile... what's going on?

Bit of a thread bump, but google put me here so for those that follow: What got you is a Hellish temperature requirement without either Nocturnal or Cave traits, which means it's basically impossible to satisfy (the Nether is always classified as Night). The way I'm currently avoiding it is by keeping a strain of temperature tolerant Infernal bees and only using them to cross, making sure to breed for Nocturnal and Cave with every step just incase.

I'm also not using Pristines so if I *do* lose a princess to impossible requirements at least it's only an Ignoble. I don't have the ExtraBees mod or whatever adds Innoculator/Acclimitiser plus the other Alveary blocks (it all feels a bit too cheaty to me) but these Infernal crosses are tempting me to do it.