Gregtech deliberately crashing client if TC installed..

[lolpierandom]

You can say the same thing about this incident (mdiyo challenging Greg to do something).

It's not an excuse though.

mDiyo challenging Greg?

Are you joking?

All mDiyo did was do EXACTLY what greg has done since the start of his mod- change something in another person's mod for his own mod's balance.

Greg has literally no moral ground upon which to stand- hell, he's in the moral Dead Sea.

 

[Hoho]

Those explosions destroyed things exactly the same way as creeper did.

Now imagine a creeper or few blowing up in the middle of your bee farm.

 

[Necr0maNceR]

Omg, you just lost all your bees. Bees must mean a lot to you if losing them is something you equate to "world destroying".

 

[Jadedcat]

I thought what Sengir did didn't actually destroy worlds. It just made his bees blow up like creepers, causing some damage, but nothing even close to "world destroying".

Not correct. The creeper bees have always been in forestry and are still in forestry. They had nothing to do with Technic. That was another thing entirely, and is ancient history at this point.

Try to refrain from dredging up every rumor that has been passed around for months. Stick to the topic.

 

[lolpierandom]

Not correct. The creeper bees have always been in forestry and are still in forestry. They had nothing to do with Technic. That was another thing entirely, and is ancient history at this point.

Try to refrain from dredging up every rumor that has been passed around for months. Stick to the topic.

The problem, Jaded, is that rather than discuss the issue at hand (which is the massive security and trust breach on the part of Gregtech), his acolytes would rather delve back into time and point fingers, going "well he did it too!".

And of course, that is the start of an argument doomed to fail from the beginning.

 

[Hoho]

The creeper bees have always been in forestry and are still in forestry. They had nothing to do with Technic.

This is correct. Sengir just made them insanely more common if it detected it was running in a directory containing tekkit/technic.

For the record only reason why I keep bringing it up is to show that people will forget that just the same way they forgot about forestry and ultimately all the whining here is pointless. Obviously it is also quite funny how the two cases are taken completely differently simply because of personal biases.

 

[Necr0maNceR]

Not correct. The creeper bees have always been in forestry and are still in forestry. They had nothing to do with Technic. That was another thing entirely, and is ancient history at this point.

Try to refrain from dredging up every rumor that has been passed around for months. Stick to the topic.

Alright, I had just heard some people say that his bees had destroyed worlds and others say that they just exploded and caused relatively minor damage. Of course, in the end you are right. It is far different from what Greg did, and old news regardless. I won't talk about it anymore.

 

[Loufmier]

Obviously it is also quite funny how the two cases are taken completely differently simply because of personal biases.

because they are completely different indeed. but you just cant get it, because of personal biases.

 

[Mjw]

if we could get rid of greg and just keep the tech that'd be great

 

[RedBoss]

Really? I was under the impression that Sengir actually did that to tekkit.

(Not that it really should make a difference on this topic)

It doesn't make a difference. This isn't tekkit and we aren't talking about Sengir. We're talking about Gregtech and you're attempting to cloud the subject and ignore the facts.

show that people will forget that just the same way they forgot about forestry and ultimately all the whining here is pointless. Obviously it is also quite funny how the two cases are taken completely differently simply because of personal biases.

I never played tekkit and this isn't the issue. a creeper blowing something up is not CRASHING THE CLIENT. Greg CRASHES YOUR GAME with malicious code. He has set precedent that at any time he will maliciously react to a situation by forcing a trusted piece of software to become non-functional. THAT is the point. You keep ignoring it.

People download these mods trusting that blatant issues like this will not occur, he's destroyed that trust.

 

[CrissHill]

All mDiyo did was do EXACTLY what greg has done since the start of his mod- change something in another person's mod for his own mod's balance.
Greg has literally no moral ground upon which to stand- hell, he's in the moral Dead Sea.

Well not EXACTLY. what mDiyo did (afaik. please correct me if im wrong) was implement a timer for the sole purpose of screwing up with gregtech on a recipe that greg nerfed from vanilla. (that also has a config option).

This was a direct attack against GT as the nerf Greg introduced didn't have anything to do with TConstruct.

But, I do agree that Greg does override recipes at his own will, and -I think- that how it should be handled is that if a mod author says that "Hey, it's not cool that you're nerfing my recipes" (the few mods that he actually nerfs.. like forestry). Greg should take his nerfs off and take a different route to solving it. I don't know sengir or any other modders that actually are targeted by GTs nerfs so I can't say if they have approached Greg about it.[DOUBLEPOST=1374146900][/DOUBLEPOST]

It doesn't make a difference. This isn't tekkit and we aren't talking about Sengir. We're talking about Gregtech and you're attempting to cloud the subject and ignore the facts.

Excuse me? How am i EXACTLY clouding the subject and ignoring the facts by saying that it doesn't make a difference?

 

[SpitefulFox]

This was a direct attack against GT as the nerf Greg introduced didn't have anything to do with TConstruct.

Greg nerfed wood production. You know what TConstruct templates are made from?

WOOD

 

[CrissHill]

Greg nerfed wood production. You know what TConstruct templates are made from?

WOOD

How many pieces of bolded wood you need to make a complete set of Tconstruct templates and how it broke anything with Tconstruct?

 

[tehBlobLord]

This was a direct attack against GT as the nerf Greg introduced didn't have anything to do with TConstruct.

Wood is at the base of every tech tree in the game. It's literally the first block you'll break. Imagine that FTB is a reservoir.
Up until now, Greg has been peeing in his little corner of the reservoir. Sure, some of it leaks out to the other mods, but in general it's ignorable.
This is greg going to the source of the river that feeds the reservoir and peeing in that. He's blanket nerfing EVERY SINGLE MOD, AND VANILLA, because it suits his own needs.
Every single mod that uses wood, INCLUDING TC, is affected by this nerf.

 

[SpitefulFox]

How many pieces of bolded wood you need to make a complete set of Tconstruct templates and how it broke anything with Tconstruct?

Double the amount it would before. This changes how people can play TConstruct as well as ANY MOD out there that uses Wood as a crafting ingredient unless they play the game Greg's way. All mDiyo did was change the game back to the way it was before, but apparently that's an "attack" on Greg himself, because Greg apparently IS Minecraft.

 

[RedBoss]

When a police officer pulls you over for speeding, you get a ticket despite how fast the people in front of you were going. YOUR incident of speeding is being addressed. It doesn't matter who else broke the law. If you got caught speeeding, you're getting the ticket.

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You 2 guys, look at the OP. GREGTECH deliberately crashing the client is the issue. It doesn't matter why he did it, it doesn't matter about wood recipes, nor does it matter about some old incident. What matters is that Greg placed malicious code and he can't be trusted. It matters because Minecraft mods in general are trusted as benign & and at worst buggy software. FTB is a simplified entry into modded MC and that is predicated on trust.

We CAN NOT trust Greg to not crash our games. That's the issue. Its not about what mod is better, or anything. The issue is how do we proceed now that a trusted mod developer has violated the trust. Stop ignoring this fact.

 

[Hoho]

When a police officer pulls you over for speeding, you get a ticket despite how fast the people in front of you were going. YOUR incident of speeding is being addressed. It doesn't matter who else broke the law. If you got caught speeeding, you're getting the ticket.

Difference is in MC there are no written laws. Closest we can do is decide on things the moment something happens. To make a reasonable decision we should look at past similar cases, how they were resolved and what were the consequences.

Its not about what mod is better, or anything. The issue is how do we proceed now that a trusted mod developer has violated the trust. Stop ignoring this fact.

I'm not ignoring the fact what greg has done. Many people do ignore the fact what sengir did and to me it seems unreasonable to act any differently this time than was acted back then.

 

[Hydra]

This is correct. Sengir just made them insanely more common if it detected it was running in a directory containing tekkit/technic.

Why do you keep droning on about Forestry? This topic is about Gregtech. I don't agree with wat Sengir did either but if you want to discuss that you'll have to start a topic about Forestry.

 

[SpitefulFox]

Then why are you here?

 

[CrissHill]

Then why are you here?

Why are YOU here?