Forge and Nova
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Yeah those persons in fact include @FyberOptic and these claims are made from very valid evidence.
Also, we will not "get over the model thing" rendering is a legit issue with 1.8 that will be "gotten over" when there is a legitimate/reasonable solution
I can. I'm not sure that "ban" is the answer to "find a way to deal with him once and for all", unless that means "stop him from posting". I will post. (see postcount for details
.That said, I did try to keep my posts on the forge forums to a minimum. I did realize that I was not liked over there; I just did not realize how much I was not liked.
http://sbnc.khobbits.co.uk/log/logs/minecraftforge.htm
Lex apologized. Go to around [21:36:03].
He actually did. Wow.
Lex apologized. Go to around [21:36:03].
He actually did. Wow.
Correct me if I'm wrong but he didn't apologize to you did he? Only the people from BC that weren't involved with NOVA
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Apologising for intentionally and continually behaving in such a way doesn't make it right.
Apologies only work if one intends to learn lessons and/or change their behaviour.
Unless we see a marked change in attitude this wont go anywhere.
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And Lex just posted this.
I don't care if you guys don't consider it an apology. I apologized multiple times for my drama queen behaviour in early 2014 and every time I hoped I'd become different. But changing fundamental traits of a person, good or bad, is a huge challenge.
And Lex just posted this.
I don't care if you guys don't consider it an apology. I apologized multiple times for my drama queen behaviour in early 2014 and every time I hoped I'd become different. But changing fundamental traits of a person, good or bad, is a huge challenge.
I'm still banned. But I don't care, I'm leaving. My reputation has been shattered in the eyes of many and quite frankly I'd love to move on and make my own projects.
You mean to the 404 page?
But seriously, what goes around comes around (in German: As you shout into the forest it echoes back)
When you pull off bullshit like this don't wonder if you get a response.
Am I correct to assume that you dislike NEM because of that incident? Well you were the one who started it. Yes some of the Technic people are disregarding permissions, but often out of ignorance. What you did was openly expressing your hate against them.
Hating is human, but one should deal with it in a mature way.
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Am I defending Lex?
Changing the fundamental traits of a person is not a huge challenge. It is impossible.
If you could do it, you would be a different person.
If you think it is possible for a person to do anything, make any choices, behave in any way; that it is in some way possible for a person to actually think, and make a choice, on every action, on everything that they say, and that they actually have a choice to make, then you are saying that said person has no personality, nothing that can be depended on, pointed to, relied on, etc.; nothing to define that person.
For example, I am a vocal person, with lots of opinions, supported by research and reading. And, I make lots of educated guesses. But where my education is lacking, or my knowledge is bad, my guesses will be very wide off the mark.
When I don't know, I don't guess.
If I guess badly, it means that I don't know what I think I know.
And finding out things that I don't know that I don't know is the most important self-improvement tool I have.
Will this trait change? If it did, I would be a different person -- I would no longer be a person committed to learning, sharing what I have learned, and improving my ability to learn and share.
I don't fault Lex for being a Drama Queen, or a self-declared mule-analogy. I only fault him to the extent that his behavior gets in the way of his getting his stuff done, combined with an inability to recognize his behavior and apologize/fix/clean it up afterwards.
In other worlds, Lex is a Karkat. Not "good", not "bad", just "what is". Water is wet, sky is not walkable, Lex is Karkat.
Karkat learned to be both a great leader, and a great supporter.
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Is it the case that normal human behavior is to react to what happens? Yes.
Is it the case that most humans can train themselves (or be trained) to break that "input/reaction" behavior, and instead have "input/stop; pause, think; choose an action" behavior? Sure. I'd say that at least 80% of the people can do this at least 80% of the time.
But in that is "choose an action". How much choice does a person actually have, and how much is already determined by culture, environment, upbringing, genetics, etc.?
What I've read, from people that have done the research, is that your choice is less than 5%, may be 2% at best, and may be zero in far more cases than people want to admit.
I could waste time writing a psychological deconstruction of Lex's personality as I know him, though I'm not going to do it.
He has quite a few faults as a person, that he has stated himself. However, the problem with him is that he lets these faults adversely affect what he does as lead of Forge. Leading Forge is a very heavy responsibility and I think he has to accept the fact that he will be scrutinized by the general modding public.
Friction like this caused by these faults of his (like the "forge doesnt accept prs, dont bother" sentiment going around now) is what incites drama. While I understand that Lex cannot change this aspect of his, I personally think he needs to adopt a more diplomatic manner of conducting himself as lead dev of Forge.
Asie doesn't need to go. Lex doesn't need to be replaced.
There are worse people in more important position in RL and they are still there. As long as the misunderstanding is cleared, there isn't a reason (besides personal reasons) to leave.
This current issue isn't the first, nor will it be the last drama that will happen in the Minecraft circle. People learn to forgive and forget.And as for extremists, they're everywhere. You just have to learn to ignore them I suppose.
All of the above is just my own opinion.
There are worse people in more important position in RL and they are still there. As long as the misunderstanding is cleared, there isn't a reason (besides personal reasons) to leave.
This current issue isn't the first, nor will it be the last drama that will happen in the Minecraft circle. People learn to forgive and forget.And as for extremists, they're everywhere. You just have to learn to ignore them I suppose.
All of the above is just my own opinion.
His behavior has nothing to do with fundamental traits. Fundamental traits are internalized. They have nothing to do with anything that exists out side of his head. That isn't the problem. He can think however he wants.
It's how he interacts with others that is the problem. Those responses always change. Over time.
It's usualy called it's called growing up. Or maturing.
I really don't think doing a psychoanalysis of Lex is a discussion that needs to take place here or anywhere. Regardless of his actions show some respect for him.