Equivalent Exchange has to go.

[Mirality]

The main key with EE is moderation. Sure, it can be abused, but then so can any mod (and especially multiple mods in combination) -- there's always ways to make infinite this or overpowered that. It doesn't matter; it's a game, play it whichever way seems fun to you.

Personally, I'm still on my very first Minium stone (and I've been playing my map for quite a while now). I used to use it mostly only for obsidian and enderpearls -- and now I have a farm for the latter (it's called "finding an end portal"), so I just use that instead. (I probably could make an obsidian farm too if I really wanted to, but I don't really use it all that much). Nowadays (since I have a decent quarry and storage system going) about all I use it for is dyes, since they're a pain to hunt down.

 

[ryanjh5521]

Ahem why are you even talking about EE2 yes it was over powered the mod's author even agrees that it was so. He he scraped because it was so over powered. And is making EE3 with the intent that it be somewhat balanced.

Yes you can make diamonds out of more common blocks. But the exchange rate is roughly based on how rare they are. For example: An amount of block X found in in an amount of time is equal to an amount of block B that would be found in the same about of time.
With EE3 I'd expect that collectors will probably have a limit on what they can make based on what tier they are and only top tier ones will be useful in making diamonds. This should brink it in line with other FTB mods. With the idea being that once you get the infrastructure set up you'll never want again. I'd also not be surprised if he added systems to change EU and/or MJ into EMC. Making part of his mod function like a more diverse form of the Matter fabricator.

Actually EE3 and EE2 are both made by different developers

 

[Bagman817]

Wanna know what's OP? Timber + EE3. One jungle tree gets me almost a stack of obsidian in under 30 seconds.

I love cross mod interaction.

When did obsidian become OP? You need 10 to get to the Nether, and then a handful for other recipes. Oh, and Igneous Extruder. I haven't made a Diamond Pick in months

 

[Xeonen]

When did obsidian become OP? You need 10 to get to the Nether, and then a handful for other recipes. Oh, and Igneous Extruder. I haven't made a Diamond Pick in months

Also lava is cheap as hell; you can find infinite amount of it in nether and more than you want when you strip mine in overworld.

 

[RedBoss]

The only reason I wanted a minium stone was for pocket crafting without losing inventory space. The way I run around I don't need waypoints, I could follow the crafting tables home

 

[Eyamaz]

Actually EE3 and EE2 are both made by different developers

Actually they are technically not.

Pahimar took over ee2 from x3n0.

Ee3 is Pahimar's first mod from scratch.

 

[ryanjh5521]

Actually they are technically not.

Pahimar took over ee2 from x3n0.

Ee3 is Pahimar's first mod from scratch.

I said made not mantained.

 

[Hoff]

Currently, it's a lazy man's mod, and there is zero arguing with that. It offers nothing but ways of converting things to other things with minimal effort, turning non-renewable resources into renewable ones and ways of acquiring items via a few crafts with a red rock.
Of course that can change, but it's in FTB right NOW isn't it? Mods are judged by not what they WILL become, but from what they are CURRENTLY, since, while we can disable them on our own, the multitude of servers will not.

Name some. Diamond? Nope IC2 covers that. Gold? Pigmen. Iron? Golems. Obsidian? Nope. Pearls? Nope. Wood? Nope. Cobble? Nope. Dirt? Nope. Sand? Nope.

Spoiler

I agree with you.
Also, suggesting balance around these forums will only get you yelled at by people with no knowledge or sense of balance, or ones that try to validate their lazyness by explaining how they only have 15 minutes to play a day

It's also funny that you're one of those that thinks some kind of universal balance exists.

 

[Whovian]

Wait. Is Flint renewable without EE3? Because, if it isn't, then Industrial Diamonds aren't renewable without EE3.

 

[Hoff]

Wait. Is Flint renewable without EE3? Because, if it isn't, then Industrial Diamonds aren't renewable without EE3.

IIRC you can rock crush cobble for gravel/flint.

Sorry it's the pulverizer that does that. As well as the Grinder from Factorization.

 

[PonyKuu]

Actually they are technically not.

Pahimar took over ee2 from x3n0.

Ee3 is Pahimar's first mod from scratch.

By the way, Why did Xeno drop the mod?

 

[seannyyx]

By the way, Why did Xeno drop the mod?

Because

 

[wolfsilver00]

Heh, first up good use of "let me tell you something"

Couple of other points (all in my opinion of course): automating things is fine, it's one of the main tenets of technical modded minecraft. I think my first post in this thread includes what I specifically find overpowered (ender pearls not from ender men and blaze rods without nether (which requires interaction with thaumcraft)), some other stuff I just find cheap (obsidian from wood) and some stuff I really like for their usefulness without having massive impact on other things (changing flowers/dyes/wool colour).

As to your last point, people keep arguing about it because it is a mod discussion forum, it is what this place is for

edit: I don't agree with the op, ee3 should stay, however I'd personally like to at least have config options as to what it is capable of.

First, i know, im awesome

Look for my other post (in this thread) and you will find the solution for everything

For the last, i think that this forum is meant to discuss about mods.. but they're just telling "EE3 has to go"... not even looking for a solution, which i gave a while ago in other post.

For the edit: Again, look for my opst for the config solution To config what you cant with the cfg, you will have to config your brain to "not do what you dont want to" which i think is pretty easy.. Maybe not if you have dissociative identity disorder..

 

[snooder]

Wait. Is Flint renewable without EE3? Because, if it isn't, then Industrial Diamonds aren't renewable without EE3.

cobble pulverizes to sand + gravel. Gravel pulverizes to flint. Just put an igneous extruder connected to two pulverizers and you have a renewable flint supply.

 

[Ako_the_Builder]

First, i know, im awesome

Look for my other post (in this thread) and you will find the solution for everything

For the last, i think that this forum is meant to discuss about mods.. but they're just telling "EE3 has to go"... not even looking for a solution, which i gave a while ago in other post.

For the edit: Again, look for my opst for the config solution To config what you cant with the cfg, you will have to config your brain to "not do what you dont want to" which i think is pretty easy.. Maybe not if you have dissociative identity disorder..

I agree with everything you have said, however, when playing on a server if some dickhead covers my house in obsidian because he could make it using wood before I've even made a diamond pick I still have a problem hehe.

I did the extreme version when I played tekkit, I deleted ee2 from the pack because I felt it was too much. ee3 is only small atm but if it got to a point where I felt the same way as I did about ee2 I'd prefer being able to make some config changes than totally removing it.

If config changes were available I'd set obsidian, ender pearls and blaze rods to false as I like the natural gated progression that these three things give in minecraft (for everyone on the server); nether entry, access to the end, requirement for anether fortressfor ender chests/brewing stands etc. respectively

 

[Hoff]

I agree with everything you have said, however, when playing on a server if some dickhead covers my house in obsidian because he could make it using wood before I've even made a diamond pick I still have a problem hehe.

I did the extreme version when I played tekkit, I deleted ee2 from the pack because I felt it was too much. ee3 is only small atm but if it got to a point where I felt the same way as I did about ee2 I'd prefer being able to make some config changes than totally removing it.

If config changes were available I'd set obsidian, ender pearls and blaze rods to false as I like the natural gated progression that these three things give in minecraft (for everyone on the server); nether entry, access to the end, requirement for anether fortressfor ender chests/brewing stands etc. respectively

This seems almost completely moot to me. If you're starting at the same time and he's getting a minium stone before you get 3 diamonds you're doing something wrong. You could also change the durability on the minium stone as he would need a good amount of the obsidian and potentially many minium stones(I know of a few servers that use <40 durability). If he's starting before you it's again a fairly moot situation as someone could do that with any of the warded blocks or reinforced stone or glass.

 

[Ako_the_Builder]

This seems almost completely moot to me. If you're starting at the same time and he's getting a minium stone before you get 3 diamonds you're doing something wrong. You could also change the durability on the minium stone as he would need a good amount of the obsidian and potentially many minium stones(I know of a few servers that use <40 durability). If he's starting before you it's again a fairly moot situation as someone could do that with any of the warded blocks or reinforced stone or glass.

Yeah and he has

I'm playing devil's advocate a bit. A mod with a toolset this strong is going to have people for and against, I'm just of the opinion config options are better than no options. And on a purely personal note, part of the fun of a new server for me is the journey to the end and finding a nether fortress when only moderately geared up.

 

[Hoff]

Yeah and he has

I'm playing devil's advocate a bit. A mod with a toolset this strong is going to have people for and against, I'm just of the opinion config options are better than no options. And on a purely personal note, part of the fun of a new server for me is the journey to the end and finding a nether fortress when only moderately geared up.

Which is very true but at the current stage of EE3 giving such options is much lower on the list than actually finishing the mod or bringing it up to par.

 

[Redweevil]

I find it amusing that people complain about GregTech ruining FTB for adding more grinding an generally slowing the game down, whereas people complain about EE3 for being too fast

 

[RedBoss]

Play styles vary. There is no right way except for what YOU want to play