Oh don't get me wrong, I ain't saying real life engineers are sane either. Most important qualification? A willingness to solve problems. Second most important qualification? Having enough problems to solve to keep you from making new ones to solve. The pressure cooker test you just told us about? Bog-standard engineer "1-800-I-GOT-ZERO-PROBLEMS-NOW-WHAT-SMARTASS?" type deal. Can't find a better thing to do? Start causing problems that will require solutions that you don't already know.
Mod Feedback [By Request] RotaryCraft Suggestions
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Man I really wish I'd caught this debate earlier.
I need to point out immediately that me and Reika cannot share a thread w/o having an argument. I am not a fanboy. I do not agree with a lot of his logic or game-design decisions. That said:
Did I miss an update? Last I checked, you could charge and consume power from a battery simultaneously. You could NOT from a coil. (I'm not being sarcastic: I may have missed an update.)
The storage capability of that battery is insane. It outputs enough power that I was able to connect my entire industry to it (via resistors and sub-batteries). You don't need to "configure" a battery, because it intelligently outputs what's needed. Unlike the coil, which will run at the speed you set, even if its wasteful.
Let's not forget: batteries don't crater your base, and if you're intelligent enough to work around that, I don't see that any of this should be an issue for you.
Objectively, its really as simple as that. All your arguments and concerns are now successfully answered and rendered null and void. If these points don't actually appeal to you, the mod simply doesn't appeal to you.
I need to point out immediately that me and Reika cannot share a thread w/o having an argument. I am not a fanboy. I do not agree with a lot of his logic or game-design decisions. That said:
ElectriCraft is probably my favorite energy system in MC modding. It took something a bit similar to the old IC2 model (packets etc) and actually made it sensible and easy to understand. I like the energy, I like the resistors, I like the power switch block (whose name escapes me).
Did I miss an update? Last I checked, you could charge and consume power from a battery simultaneously. You could NOT from a coil. (I'm not being sarcastic: I may have missed an update.)
Don't make false generalizations and claims. Any other mods you play, perhaps. You do not play with GregTech 1.7.x I imagine, a very popular mod with lossy cabling.
The resistor block may be my favorite block of the entire mod. Its brilliant. I will give you that the use of dyes is rank insanity as a game design mechanic. I have tried (and failed) to convince @Reika to switch to a dye-loaded tool (shift-click to switch it from color to color). I'd also prefer a gem-loaded tool, some sort of prism laser, to set colors. Carrying around a bunch of cocoa beans is, indeed, silly.
From a game-flow perspective its hard to justify playing with the batteries at all until you can get one of the best, you're right. I could be wrong but you might be able to recover battery resources via the worktable and a redstone signal (I forget.)
I powered my last RoC/ElC base with a SINGLE auroral battery, which never filled past 30%.
The storage capability of that battery is insane. It outputs enough power that I was able to connect my entire industry to it (via resistors and sub-batteries). You don't need to "configure" a battery, because it intelligently outputs what's needed. Unlike the coil, which will run at the speed you set, even if its wasteful.
Let's not forget: batteries don't crater your base, and if you're intelligent enough to work around that, I don't see that any of this should be an issue for you.
Yep, that's sort of the point of RoC. Gearboxes. Lots of them. If you hate gearboxes, if you like the idea of TE cable connecting everything with a single blocktype, this is not an appropriate mod for you.
- ElC provides superior power-on-demand solutions to RoC.
- ElC provides superior centralized-power solutions to RoC. (Looking back I see @Kirameki mentions this)
- ElC provides safer large-scale power storage
Objectively, its really as simple as that. All your arguments and concerns are now successfully answered and rendered null and void. If these points don't actually appeal to you, the mod simply doesn't appeal to you.
....What gave you that idea?
No. Batteries retain the ability to simultaneously charge and discharge, and will do so for the foreseeable future.
See, you're arguing already. What the hell is wrong with you? :\
Fantastic. I'm surprised nobody clarified that; he mentioned it twice as a gripe. This feature alone makes it extremely useful as a supplier compared to the coil.
Yes, it comes with some basic ores which might mess you up a bit. I forget which ones. Tin, Copper come to mind.
Edit:
From Reika's page:
Don't think so. ReC does, but not RoC or ElC
Of course you should be able to turn all of that off (if you're worried about duplicate oregen) in the configs.
It has world gen... none of which isn't covered by other mods in my game. Copper, Tin, Nickle, Platinum, Aluminum, etc etc...
I don't need the ELC ores, but it can still be nice to have them.
Yes, I too like having several variants of the ores; it makes it feel more "real".
I cannot tell if you are serious or not, but if you are, I get the feeling that the reason you perceive us always getting into arguments is that you interpret nearly every response I make to you as hostile.
I was in no way serious. And I attempted to reinforce this by liking your alleged arguing.
The internet: great communication medium for some but not all senses of humor.
I asked about worldgen for two simple reasons:
1. Up til now, I thought ElC was strictly for dealing with reactor-level power, or more detailed/useful conversion between shaft and external power sources (replacement for magnetostatic) -- neither of which I use.
2. I have a strict "vanilla overworld" policy. Mod world-gen happens in ages, not the overworld. Overworld has so far survived from 1.2.3 to 1.6.4.
1. Up til now, I thought ElC was strictly for dealing with reactor-level power, or more detailed/useful conversion between shaft and external power sources (replacement for magnetostatic) -- neither of which I use.
2. I have a strict "vanilla overworld" policy. Mod world-gen happens in ages, not the overworld. Overworld has so far survived from 1.2.3 to 1.6.4.
Ah. Well then...
- ElC is great for reactor level power storage, but by that point, you can afford a aural battery or two. But lower tiers are cheaper, if not as powerful. In short, it's a great sort of system if you are worried about storing power and distributing it better, but easy enough to ignore if neither of these matter. It most certainly isn't meant for converting between shaft power and other power systems; ElC power is basically a sub-network of your RoC power. Great for a great many reasons, but can't be used to allow for a easier conversion between RoC and RF, for example, unless you consider the detailed bit of "great for sending power where you want it to go, and balancing it accordingly" due to resistors.
- Should be fine, then. All of the ores can be turned off, but while they are somewhat needed, they can be mostly skipped for starting stuff I believe.
Already exists, in meme form:
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum...-worldgen-civilization-and-more?comment=10194
I know. I think it should be a painting implemented into the mod. Fer teh lulz.