Best mining method?
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Yeah, ripping off.
And no, we're not ripping off FTB code. If we took their code, and then pasted it in our own game, then we'd be ripping off the FTB code.
I just build a dirt box with myself in it and call it a day.
Wait, that's a M not a W.
I use Manual mining usually. Doesn't get any more selective then THAT! Well, unless you have UE's Complex Machines. There's a bloody mining block thingy which scans nearby stone and searches for the ores you specify(and coal/redstone/diamonds by default) and mines them all silk touch like. And pulls up NOTHING ELSE. I mean, it's all fine and dandy to have a dozen barrels of cobblestone(complete with the upgrade), or a 64k Storage Cell to keep your junk blocks in... but isn't it better to just plan ol' not mine them in the first place(unless you need them)?
Wait, that's a M not a W.
I use Manual mining usually. Doesn't get any more selective then THAT! Well, unless you have UE's Complex Machines. There's a bloody mining block thingy which scans nearby stone and searches for the ores you specify(and coal/redstone/diamonds by default) and mines them all silk touch like. And pulls up NOTHING ELSE. I mean, it's all fine and dandy to have a dozen barrels of cobblestone(complete with the upgrade), or a 64k Storage Cell to keep your junk blocks in... but isn't it better to just plan ol' not mine them in the first place(unless you need them)?
When I do use any automatic mining thats what I like to use the IC2 miner. is nice and and neat and only leaves a small hole. Which you can dump lava it light up any caves down there. Also usefull if you want to light up caves under your base just drop a few IC2 miners down and dump in lava in a sort of grid like pattern.
If that's your definition of "ripping off", then we might as well call ourselves criminals for using open source projects. LOL
Obviously it's not a crime. Don't be overdramatic.
Calling it a ripoff was a poor choice of words. I simply don't like using code that other people wrote in my own projects. Since I don't know how to code Turtles beyond the absolute most simplest programs, I don't use them.
It's not "ripping off", but it's certainly no closer to the "damn point of turtles" then using the in-built scripts is.
If I want a turtle that can go faster than a Quarry, then I'll learn Lua and play around with it until I can think of code that'll get the job done. If I can't, then I won't.
It's purely personal preference.
That attitude DOES go with the "point of turtles". My prior statement wasn't altogether aimed at you. 
That attitude DOES go with the "point of turtles". My prior statement wasn't altogether aimed at you.
Ah, okay. I wasn't entirely sure who that was aimed at.
Ripping off is slang for stealing. Thats not the correct term.
It's a lot closer to the point. As in getting more involved with ComputerCraft and what is has to offer besides just using the defaults. Its the first step toward (and away from default) getting interested in LUA.
The first step into getting interested in Lua is finding incentive to get interested in Lua.
Having all of your needs handed to you on a silver platter is incentive to do absolutely nothing.
For me personally, if I'm going to use a turtle, I'm going to write the code that it uses. Like most of the mods in the game, I want to use and understand them all. I've thought about taking the time to write a program to pick up everything except the ores I want to silk touch. I haven't gotten around to doing anything with turtles yet, although since I understand the basics of programming them, I should do ok if I ever get around to them... With everything else in FTB and all the other easier to implement mining options, I've never made turtles a priority. Maybe with the next iteration of my world I'll get to them. Until then, there are plenty of other mining options to use.
That's a bit subjective. When I see that someone is capable of making an amazing program in LUA I think; well shit I bet I could do something awesome with this. Here lemme just tinker with this... Write in this function... PERFECT. GO CONQUER THE WORLD MY PRETTIES.
What was I talking about again?
As far as the speed debate goes, you would need quite a few turtles to compete with a large, well-synchronized mining well frame ship. Admittedly, such a ship would probably use turtles to place the mining wells down; but it isn't turtles that are doing the actual digging.
Also, the issue with using someone else's turtle code goes beyond simple preference for whether or not you want to use something that you don't understand. One of the chief ways that turtles are balanced is via the requirement that you know Lua in order to do more than the most basic tasks with them. That's why it can be considered relatively reasonable for them to be so cheap to build. But with the basic functionality that is included by default, that's already a bit of a stretch.
On the other hand, the power of sharing code for use with turtles is also a testament to open source. So I don't mind one bit if other people choose to use code that others have written. Personally, I compromise by only using someone else's code if I can look through it and understand how it all works, feeling confident that I could write it myself if I wanted to. At that point I'm just saving time (which is, honestly, the single most valuable resource in Minecraft). Even then, however, if I can think of a way to solve my problem without using someone else's turtle code, I'll do that instead. 90% of the time I can.
Also, the issue with using someone else's turtle code goes beyond simple preference for whether or not you want to use something that you don't understand. One of the chief ways that turtles are balanced is via the requirement that you know Lua in order to do more than the most basic tasks with them. That's why it can be considered relatively reasonable for them to be so cheap to build. But with the basic functionality that is included by default, that's already a bit of a stretch.
On the other hand, the power of sharing code for use with turtles is also a testament to open source. So I don't mind one bit if other people choose to use code that others have written. Personally, I compromise by only using someone else's code if I can look through it and understand how it all works, feeling confident that I could write it myself if I wanted to. At that point I'm just saving time (which is, honestly, the single most valuable resource in Minecraft). Even then, however, if I can think of a way to solve my problem without using someone else's turtle code, I'll do that instead. 90% of the time I can.
Seeing that someone is capable of making an amazing program is something that everyone sees. However, why would you be inspired to write an amazing program like that if you simply copy it into your turtle?
Short answer: You wouldn't be.
Long Answer: There's no point to re-devise a program you already have unless you can think of a way to improve it. Considering that you probably don't have that kind of knowledge if you're copying other people's work, then there's simply no point to it.
I take the other route that involves me seeing these amazing programs, but not copying them. Maybe some day I'll be inspired to make something just as innovative, and since I don't have a turtle that does that yet, I could see myself attempting to re-create the code in an attempt to have a turtle that does that. The key point is that I have motivation to do said coding.
Again as I said; it's subjective. Such things may not inspire you but they do inspire me personally. I try out a branch mining program someone wrote, watch it work, see it's flaws and devise a program of my own. I do in fact have the ability to write loads of code but most of the time I'm too lazy/bored to do it until I see someone's code and see it working and it makes me want to do something to make it better or make my own. Many people that are coders, especially those that specialize in languages that utilize open libraries of code, would generally have no problem using someone's code instead of re-writing it themselves.
I mean really you stated the point I'm making at the end of your post; The key point is that I have motivation to do said coding. That varies for each person and simply because you don't see how it inspires people doesn't mean it doesn't.
Well, you also have the means to do said coding. We're talking about inspiration to LEARN Lua, not simply use it. They're too very different things.
Learning a programming language is a fair time commitment, and requires a fair amount of inspiration. If you gain absolutely nothing from learning it, why would you bother?
Learning is trivial compared to the time invested in actually coding. It shouldn't take someone more than an hour or two to learn to be able to sit for 12 hours and code a program in lua. Lua is a wonderfully simple language in that it's basically english for its syntax.