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Exadi

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I have updated to 1.5.1 and I've got most of my mods working again, but there's something I recently have been noticing in/with Thaumic Bees. I have a tendency to raid barrows and I keep finding "Oblivion Frames". I haven't touched them but I'm curious what they do. Obviously I should start a test world and find out for myself, but I am very bad at figuring out what things do if it isn't very obvious. The fact that I find them in Barrows makes me leery of them, what with all that bad mojo.

They are for killing your bees faster.
 

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I've never used a Filler before.

Assuming I have a giant quarry hole down to bedrock, and I want to use a Filler to fill it. How would I do this with the least amount of effort? Do I have to use landmarks or can I just plop the Filler into the hole in such a way that it fills all available space? If I have to use landmarks, how? (2D/3D shape?)

(And before anyone asks: igneous extruders.)
 

Exadi

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...That's it? No weird side effects?

Why bother doing the TC research and getting the death frames then?

Necrotic Frames were never worth it in the first place if you ask me. Much easier to just add more Chocolate Frames than use a frame that makes you use the Infusion Altar TWICE, requires research, consumes Vis, releases Flux, and reduces production instead of increasing it.
 

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They have a very short durability, and you can't craft them.
Oh. Well, that's noteworthy. The durability issue I mean. I guess one still has a VERY good reason to craft your Necrotic Frames then.
Necrotic Frames were never worth it in the first place if you ask me. Much easier to just add more Chocolate Frames than use a frame that makes you use the Infusion Altar TWICE, requires research, consumes Vis, releases Flux, and reduces production instead of increasing it.
Chocolate frames are cool and all, but Necrotic Frames last longer, right? Both Chocolate Frames and Necrotic frames have the same purpose; kill your bees faster. Chocolate frames don't make sense to me in of that they kill your bees, but also make they produce more stuff. The point of the Chocolate Frame(to me, anyway) is to allow you to get new strains faster because you have less time between generations. Yeah, soul frames(/mutator) are dedicated to this goal in the most intuitive way(by actually increasing the mutation rate), but without the chocolate frames(or the better[in my eyes, anyway] Necrotic Frames), you have to wait just as long to get your new strain because of how Mendel Genetics works.
 

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I've never used a Filler before.

Assuming I have a giant quarry hole down to bedrock, and I want to use a Filler to fill it. How would I do this with the least amount of effort? Do I have to use landmarks or can I just plop the Filler into the hole in such a way that it fills all available space? If I have to use landmarks, how? (2D/3D shape?)

(And before anyone asks: igneous extruders.)
You have to set the landmarks in a 3d shape to fill the hole. Once you have it set and put the appropriate fill recipe (9 bricks iirc)
 

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Only about 12.5% longer, but they are a hell of a lot harder to mass produce.
If by "hell of a lot harder to mass produce" you mean "actually impossible to mass produce" then yeah, very much so.
But at the same time, I put frames as "apiary related tools", and I put apiaries as "long before effective automation", but I suppose that role is now filled by Bee Houses, but that still means that (to me at least!) Frames are used prior to getting your automation set up. Yes, you need to get a squeezer and a carpenter built before you can craft apiaries, OR you can get 24 oak logs and find a apiarist villager and buy a apiary from him, so Apiaries can be obtained before you even have a bee to put in them.(unlike Bee Houses which need a honey comb to craft, meaning you have to use a scoop to gather hives until you have a comb. Yes, I know you can just BUY honey combs from villagers. I also know that that same Villager will sell you a Apiary is you have oak logs to trade for it, so the fact that you can buy a comb is irrelevant because the same NPC will sell you a fully built Apiary for a very reasonable price)
...Now I think I should look into how effective each of these frames are at killing bees. Chocolate is obvious(says on the wiki page it's 33% faster, right?), Necrotic is the one I'd be using most so getting some numbers on that would be important, and Oblivion Frames are dungeon loot, so they likely are pretty damn good at killing bees.

Naturally this will all be done with a single frame with a single basic queen each(all with the same lifespan, obviously), but I'll have to run the Oblivion Frame test on it's own because I will likely have to babysit the apiary to make sure that I always have a Oblivion Frame loaded.
With luck it'll be so effective that it'll murder bees fast enough that I won't need to babysit it because before I need to replace the frame I'll have practically outdone the Nazi Regime, except I'd be killing bees instead of people that weren't pure bred gerbils.
 
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MonthOLDpickle

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With Power Suit.....I installed a jetpack and advanced battery on chest and I put shock asorbers on my boots. Fully charged. Now I think there is a weight limit..how can I figure this out? Cause I noticed you can put battery on every piece of power armour..is that worth it? Also how do I hover install of vroooooooom!

*Figured out how to hover lol

***Why am I moving so fast..its making me sick and its hard to do things.
 

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With Power Suit.....I installed a jetpack and advanced battery on chest and I put shock asorbers on my boots. Fully charged. Now I think there is a weight limit..how can I figure this out? Cause I noticed you can put battery on every piece of power armour..is that worth it? Also how do I hover install of vroooooooom!

*Figured out how to hover lol

***Why am I moving so fast..its making me sick and its hard to do things.
If you're wearing more then 25 kg of stuff (batteries, armor plates (but not energy shields)) in your suit, you'll be slowed down some. Nobody can stop you from installing a maxed iron and diamond plate and a maxed Basic, Advanced, and Elite battery on each armor piece, but you'll likely walk slower than a turtle.

*Flight Control in the helmet?

***Sprint Boost in the pants? You can independently tinker with the sprint boost and walking speed boost- if both are maxed, you'll walk quite fast and run even faster. You'll probably get used to it eventually (I did), and you'll wonder why you're going so slowly when you take the suit off.

I personally like installing two maxed Elite Batteries and a maxed Kinetic Generator, with no other non-weightless modules, for 24 kg, no speed penalty, and the possibility of flying at 77 meters per second (with jetpack, jetboots, flight control, and sprint/walking boost). Also note that prior to a nerf (in 1.5?), doing so with a maxed kinetic generator would actually recharge your suit.
 

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But how do I see total weight? But if I was heavier wouldn't I move slow and also glide more when I stopped? I just fly really fast and glide beyond..lol
 

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But how do I see total weight? But if I was heavier wouldn't I move slow and also glide more when I stopped? I just fly really fast and glide beyond..lol
The Tinker Table shows you the weight of each module when selected (if it's not weightless) when selected, and probably the total weight for each armor piece as well. These numbers can be added up easily enough.

If you fly really fast, you probably don't need to worry about weight, which would make you fly slowly.
 

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If by "hell of a lot harder to mass produce" you mean "actually impossible to mass produce" then yeah, very much so.
But at the same time, I put frames as "apiary related tools", and I put apiaries as "long before effective automation", but I suppose that role is now filled by Bee Houses, but that still means that (to me at least!) Frames are used prior to getting your automation set up. Yes, you need to get a squeezer and a carpenter built before you can craft apiaries, OR you can get 24 oak logs and find a apiarist villager and buy a apiary from him, so Apiaries can be obtained before you even have a bee to put in them.(unlike Bee Houses which need a honey comb to craft, meaning you have to use a scoop to gather hives until you have a comb. Yes, I know you can just BUY honey combs from villagers. I also know that that same Villager will sell you a Apiary is you have oak logs to trade for it, so the fact that you can buy a comb is irrelevant because the same NPC will sell you a fully built Apiary for a very reasonable price)
...Now I think I should look into how effective each of these frames are at killing bees. Chocolate is obvious(says on the wiki page it's 33% faster, right?), Necrotic is the one I'd be using most so getting some numbers on that would be important, and Oblivion Frames are dungeon loot, so they likely are pretty damn good at killing bees.

Naturally this will all be done with a single frame with a single basic queen each(all with the same lifespan, obviously), but I'll have to run the Oblivion Frame test on it's own because I will likely have to babysit the apiary to make sure that I always have a Oblivion Frame loaded.
With luck it'll be so effective that it'll murder bees fast enough that I won't need to babysit it because before I need to replace the frame I'll have practically outdone the Nazi Regime, except I'd be killing bees instead of people that weren't pure bred gerbils.
According to http://wiki.feed-the-beast.com/index.php?title=Comparison_of_Frame_types_and_Bee_Housing chocolate halves a bee's lifetime, necrotic drops it to 30%. However, chocolate gives you 50% extra production whereas necrotic drops production by 25% (for reference, an impregnated frame boosts production by 100%). Of course, if you're breeding you probably don't particularly care about the incidental produce. The necrotic frame also lasts ~20% longer than the chocolate. Neither frame affects mutation rate. For that you'd want either a soul frame (50% higher chance of mutation) or a metabolic frame (80% higher).

I personally use soul frames for the most part because they boost mutation chance and lower lifespan, so they're much lower maintenance. They're also easy as hell to make, which is fortunate because they don't last very long at all.
 

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If you're wearing more then 25 kg of stuff (batteries, armor plates (but not energy shields)) in your suit, you'll be slowed down some. Nobody can stop you from installing a maxed iron and diamond plate and a maxed Basic, Advanced, and Elite battery on each armor piece, but you'll likely walk slower than a turtle.

*Flight Control in the helmet?

***Sprint Boost in the pants? You can independently tinker with the sprint boost and walking speed boost- if both are maxed, you'll walk quite fast and run even faster. You'll probably get used to it eventually (I did), and you'll wonder why you're going so slowly when you take the suit off.

I personally like installing two maxed Elite Batteries and a maxed Kinetic Generator, with no other non-weightless modules, for 24 kg, no speed penalty, and the possibility of flying at 77 meters per second (with jetpack, jetboots, flight control, and sprint/walking boost). Also note that prior to a nerf (in 1.5?), doing so with a maxed kinetic generator would actually recharge your suit.
Ohhhh man, the kinetic generator's gonna kill you so hard. It generates heat as well as power when you use it. Not much heat, but it adds up over time.

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Ohhhh man, the kinetic generator's gonna kill you so hard. It generates heat as well as power when you use it. Not much heat, but it adds up over time.

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Good lord I hope all that heat shit is configurable.
 

ApSciLiara

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use a normal jetpack or a advanced one, they're not so fast[DOUBLEPOST=1367654852][/DOUBLEPOST]
there is no heat, she's trolling you XD
In the 1.5.1 versions, there is totally heat. Otherwise why did I get set on fire for no reason after firing my railgun a lot?
 

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You have to set the landmarks in a 3d shape to fill the hole. Once you have it set and put the appropriate fill recipe (9 bricks iirc)

So can't I, like, do some kind of Flatten pattern in 2D near the top, and the Filler attempts to raise the floor to that level? I could swear there was a function like that but then again, I have no clue how it works :p