Am I the only one who likes the gregtech recipes?

[Smilomaniac]

Gregtech. It basically boils down to two kinds of people:

1. The ones who play FTB/MC like an mmo.
2. The ones who play FTB/MC like a sandbox game.

And just to clarify, they are certainly not mutually exclusive, myself being an example: Different worlds/servers, for different purposes.

The first kind likes the hard road to the endgame stuff; You're slaving away for the hard to get items and blocks and in the end when you get it all, you quit or start over.
This is where Gregtech really shines, because the road gets harder and it's far more fun and worth it when you have your gravisuit, fusion power or whatever you went for.

The second kind likes the projects, the builds, the setups and build as much or as little as they want. They don't have a specific end-goal, they have multiple and will keep making new stuff just because.
This is where Gregtech can be an absolute nightmare, because it takes focus away from the stuff you actually want to do. You're slavering over just getting power to your machines and it just gets overwhelming very soon.

We've all tried grinding, be it Diablo, Everquest, World of Warcraft or some other farm intensive game, and while it's fun when there's an endgame in sight, we all know that when you're kitted out perfectly, you either quit or start over.
This is contradictive to sandbox gameplay and becomes a job instead of a game. Suddenly you're not playing with legos anymore, you're investing a lot of time in just getting materials.

So this is my explanation of why some like it and some don't. As for me, it depends on what I feel like playing, but mostly I'll avoid gregtech, because I don't want to spend days just to get a bare-minimum solar power array.

 

[dervasavred]

I just have this to ask: why did Greg decide to nerf the Forestry Bronze output? Was it due to the mixed metal ingots?

 

[ff255away]

I just have this to ask: why did Greg decide to nerf the Forestry Bronze output? Was it due to the mixed metal ingots?

Because the IC2 recipe which gregtech is based off of requires 3 copper dust and 1 tin dust for 2 bronze dust.

 

[Tru]

Change recipes for hard mode - Great
Constantly change recipes for hard mode every damn update like this is some sort of MMO/MOBA - Not so much

Besides that, two gripes: What the heck with the Implosion Compressor requiring so much ITNT? Is Soul Shards now a required mod or something?

Watermills require aluminum. Why not just remove them if you're going to nerf them into pointlessness?

 

[ItharianEngineering]

Well you can create gunpowder using saltpeter, sulfur, and coal/charcoal dust. With bees you can create it too. Thaumcraft let's you create gunpowder from cobblestone alone. Thermal Expansion niter, sulfur, and charcoal/coal also creates gunpowder. There isn't exactly a need to create a mob system to get the gunpowder for the ITNT, though it makes things easier.

 

[Smilomaniac]

Watermills require aluminum. Why not just remove them if you're going to nerf them into pointlessness?

My guess is that people started spamming watermills by the hundreds instead of making solar power. Since aluminum(damn americans) is so common across most layers, it doesn't sound that bad in my opinion.
Now, I'm not using gregtech anymore, but as far as I know you only use it for cans and torches, so I'm not sure why you think it nerfs them to pointlessness.

 

[ItharianEngineering]

My guess is that people started spamming watermills by the hundreds instead of making solar power. Since aluminum(damn americans) is so common across most layers, it doesn't sound that bad in my opinion.
Now, I'm not using gregtech anymore, but as far as I know you only use it for cans and torches, so I'm not sure why you think it nerfs them to pointlessness.

You are thinking about the Xycraft Aluminum. Gregtech doesn't allow you to use that kind. You can only get his through the industrial electrolyzer and from the industrial grinder through other ores.

 

[Smilomaniac]

You are thinking about the Xycraft Aluminum. Gregtech doesn't allow you to use that kind. You can only get his through the industrial electrolyzer and from the industrial grinder through other ores.

Oh, that's really a b!tch to get :/ So it's from bauxite instead then. Yeah, I can see how that kind of makes it pointless, if you have to have a EU consuming monster that you'd rather use for something else, just to get a tiny bit of EU.
I guess he's right then, might as well remove the watermills, since they're just a work-around to getting cheap EU.

 

[raiju]

Change recipes for hard mode - Great
Constantly change recipes for hard mode every damn update like this is some sort of MMO/MOBA - Not so much

Besides that, two gripes: What the heck with the Implosion Compressor requiring so much ITNT? Is Soul Shards now a required mod or something?

Watermills require aluminum. Why not just remove them if you're going to nerf them into pointlessness?

It's a WIP mod for a start, you don't have to update everytime he puts one out by any means. Juts run off the same version you started with. A lot of Mods and games are WIP technically, but gregtech tends to give out the changes as they are created on a day by day basis.

The "making use of other mods" thing is what some of us enjoy about it - I would never have bothered with soulshards other than for eh.. "creational" purposes beforehand, but now I have multiple T4-5 shards for different mobs so that I can get what's needed. Admittedly that isn't a very enjoyable gameplay aspect (I liked learning about the assembly table and thermionic fabricator more) as it's just "oh I have a shard now, great free stuff". It was a lot of effort to make some of them especially when I didn't realize about the vile sword (and thus no soulstealer).

I think that the implosion compressor is a little weird, but it might get changed (who knows). I imagine all the multi-block structures are in their "test phase", although most seem pretty cool. We might see another electrolyzer type thing going on though, who knows.

As a notice if you have an MFE and the means to power it an electrolyzer is incredibly easy to run. You won't even notice the power drain usually if you are that point.

 

[Dravarden]

well, I go to minecraft to play and enjoy, not be waiting 40+ minutes for some dusts to be done, and don't tell me is realistic, for that we have the ghast, that is super realistic! (flyig cube ghosts with tentacles that look like cats and sound like babies, puke fireballs that explode and they live in hell!) and yes, gregte h is just a way to change tier 1 stuff to endgame stuff...

also, whats the point of doing a normal solar pannel if when you make it you are already abble to do the advanced?

 

[thezeronumber]

Funny, as calling the mod arrogant is a very arrogant thing to say.

People are entitled to hate it but that doesn't make GregTech a bad mod, it's just something which you personally don't like. And that's just fine. It's when people start slandering it for no good reason that it becomes a problem.

 

[Dravarden]

still waiting for people to say that IC2 is overpowered/railcraft is bad for changing vanilla recipes

50% of the people here dislike gregtech, and it has a reason

 

[whythisname]

First off, the steel tools; sure they need to be recharged with electricity, but you pretty much only need to make one and you're good forever, whereas pickaxes require constant rebuilding. I feel having to get steel for the tools is completely fair

As for the macerater, not only can this thing double all of your ore output, but it can also make you diamonds when combined with a compressor, and in normal Ic2 all you need is some materials that you barely need to go underground for (and if anybodies going to mention anything about the pulverize/induction smelter, they have their own hard mode recipes)

As for the solar panel, I think it's fair considering the fact that you can get electricity with literally no effort if you have one of these

And the Matterfabricator makes it quite a bit tougher to get quantum armor which literally grants you superpowers.

I agree.

Also, I like how you can't just go "oh, I've got my Drill 5 seconds ago and I've got 3 Diamonds, let's get the best 'pick' in the game after 15 minutes of playing".
In my survival world I've now been using my regular Drill for days, mostly because I don't really need the Diamond one and I got nowhere near enough power to get an Industrial Blast Furnace going. In any vanilla IC2 or GregTech "easy mode" there is no point to using regular Drills because it only costs 3 Diamonds to upgrade it.

I also like having to go to the Nether just to get those tools, it's a nice challenge without super gear. In fact, I go in only with armor and tools I get from village blacksmiths, so that means no bows/arrows and usually an incomplete set of Iron/Bronze armor and I'm perfectly fine. It's really not that big of a challenge if you ask me, or at least it's not like you need Diamond/Nano armor before you can survive long enough to get the materials you need.

 

[Dravarden]

Minecraft is a sandbox game, not a MMORPG.

 

[thezeronumber]

Minecraft is a sandbox game, not a MMORPG.

How does that tie in with the discussion?

 

[Dravarden]

well, in minecraft there isn't stuff op or not op, it depends on how you take it, like, I think almost everything in the pack is underpowered, you can think that food is overpowered.

 

[raiju]

How does that tie in with the discussion?

The very shaky comparison between what people play minecraft for, as it's an anti-gregtech POV people like lambert and dravarden will naturally take it as gospel.

still waiting for people to say that IC2 is overpowered/railcraft is bad for changing vanilla recipes

50% of the people here dislike gregtech, and it has a reason

Overpowered doesn't really exist in minecraft. Imbalanced may exist for some but overpowered naturally doens't in a fully destructable near endless environment. Quantum armor to me in unbalanced (well, uu-matter in general) in base IC2. Others may feel differently but it's not exactly a hot topic because the armor is so damn old now.

well, I go to minecraft to play and enjoy, not be waiting 40+ minutes for some dusts to be done, and don't tell me is realistic, for that we have the ghast, that is super realistic! (flyig cube ghosts with tentacles that look like cats and sound like babies, puke fireballs that explode and they live in hell!) and yes, gregte h is just a way to change tier 1 stuff to endgame stuff...

also, whats the point of doing a normal solar pannel if when you make it you are already abble to do the advanced?

Fair enough you don't like the timers (I see it as a reason to build more personally, to each his own) but how does gregtech change tier 1 stuff into endgame stuff? The *only* thing you are turning into endgame is ferrous, and that is a pathetic turnover compared to end mining / uu developing as it only makes tiny dust or a 5% chance on pulverizer last I checked.

 

[DoctorOr]

Minecraft is a sandbox game, not a MMORPG.

It's a "anything you want it to be game", and people can configure GregTech to be as hard or as easy-may-as-well-be-creative as they want.

The fact is that IC2 is nearly pointless without addon mods. It may as well be renamed to the "Jetpack Mod". Look at some Forgecraft streams sometime. Everybody has a generator, a batbox, and a jetpack. And that's the entire usage of IC2. Every early game machine in IC2 is either entirely supplanted by a higher performing TE machine, or exists solely as support for the other machines (compressor, extractor, and generators all fall into this category). Late game, IC2 is all about the massfab, and EE3 takes that role.

When Thaumcraft comes out with the flying carpet, IC2 may even lose its last position of usefulness.

 

[madaffacca]

I'm feeling we're going a bit to far. From loving or hating Gregtech to the notion of overpowered to what Minecraft is to realism. Waiting for someone who starts talking about religion or the meaning of life

 

[Smilomaniac]

When Thaumcraft comes out with the flying carpet, IC2 may even lose its last position of usefulness.

I dunno man... I kinda prefer EU over MJ. At least EU doesn't blow up my pipes randomly, without me having to spend time learning the assembly table/gates to keep engines in check.

I guess this is another fault of Gregtech, because there's a pretty strict "right" way of doing your setup. Without it, you can do whatever the hell you want and it'll work without much grief.