Am I the only one who cringes......

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Freakscar said:
You probably know that, but I'll write it anyway, just in case - theres a way to a blast furnace that does not need a nether stronghold for it, using a TE induction furnace to create the needed bricks.
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Compressor also works, 3 netherrack per brick.
 
Hehe, TIL:
GPuzzle said:
Compressor also works, 3 netherrack per brick.
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Whish I knew that yesterday, when I went to the nether to gather more soulsand for my induction furnace (and nearly lost my MPS a 2nd time in a row that day^^).
 
Oh, forgot about that... Meh. I like my Industrial Blast Furnace... And I'll save my blaze powder (which I've got from cinderpearls) for something else.
 
No seriously, someone correct me if this is wrong... Isn't charcoal a net energy loss that's only used only as a way to make torches when you don't have resin/rubber about?
 
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Poppycocks said:
Only if you have a sawmill.
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I thought even w/out the cumulative heat from 4 planks was nearly the same as the heat from one charcoal, and since charcoal costs heat to make then it means that charcoal was a waste. I am quite certain that planking wood is energy positive over just regular wood. If that is not the case: why aren't we using charcoal in our boilers? It'd be as easy to cook+automate infinite charcoal as it would be to plank infinite wood.

The reason I ask is I seem to recall DoctorOr and I having this very conversation and realizing that you didn't even need a sawmill to make planking wood the best idea. Sawmills just exacerbated the process to the point of absurdity when wood was effectively free from SC2 treefarms.
 
KirinDave said:
I thought even w/out the cumulative heat from 4 planks was nearly the same as the heat from one charcoal, and since charcoal costs heat to make then it means that charcoal was a waste. I am quite certain that planking wood is energy positive over just regular wood. If that is not the case: why aren't we using charcoal in our boilers? It'd be as easy to cook+automate infinite charcoal as it would be to plank infinite wood.

The reason I ask is I seem to recall DoctorOr and I having this very conversation and realizing that you didn't even need a sawmill to make planking wood the best idea. Sawmills just exacerbated the process to the point of absurdity when wood was effectively free from SC2 treefarms.
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A plank is 0.3, charcoal is 1.6. Four planks are therefore only 1.2. And you only need one charcoal to produce 8 more charcoal. So you're wasting 1.2 to get 9.6. That evens out at 1.05.

Hm, I guess you're right. More time efficient as well.
 
Poppycocks said:
A plank is 0.3, charcoal is 1.6. Four planks are therefore only 1.2. And you only need one charcoal to produce 8 more charcoal. So you're wasting 1.2 to get 9.6. That evens out at 1.05.

Hm, I guess you're right. More time efficient as well.
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It's close, but charcoal is basically an emergency/starting measure for torches. It's not even good for making creosote oil.

So, I now cringe when people castigate others for not making charcoal. I guess I better peace out on this thread before my face gets stuck this way.
 
Poppycocks said:
And you only need one charcoal to produce 8 more charcoal.
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Who still uses vanilla furnaces when they have a boiler?

In case I assumed incorrectly that you're using heat for a boiler, you should at least be using an iron furnace by the time you have so much as a single hobbyist steam engine.
 
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KirinDave said:
No seriously, someone correct me if this is wrong... Isn't charcoal a net energy loss that's only used only as a way to make torches when you don't have resin/rubber about?
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No, it's a gain, it's just that exploiting the 6:1 planks made by a sawmill is more of a gain.

Without overclockers, an IC2 furnace will make one charcoal with 390 EU. A charcoal is worth 4k, so a profit of 3610 EU (Due to rounding, a single overclocker actually lowers this to 364EU cost)
Four planks through normal log to planks crafting is 750EU times 4, or only 3k.
Six planks with a sawmill is of course, 4.5k EU minus whatever it cost in MJ to power the sawmill, which I don't know off hand and don't care to compute.

(Also note that resin+stick is a GT recipe, not base IC2, and now requires a machine to make. MFR rubber+stick works, IC2 rubber+stick never works)
 
Exadi said:
Who still uses vanilla furnaces when they have a boiler?

In case I assumed incorrectly that you're using heat for a boiler, you should at least be using an iron furnace by the time you have so much as a single hobbyist steam engine.
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Why bother ever with those useless things? The only time I'd care is when I have factorization power set up. Then those can get pretty fast.
 
PonyKuu said:
I don't bother making diamonds with coal. And solar panels. But I don't burn it for two reasons
1) My only power source is boilers. I don't wanna burn in a boiler something that is not renewable (without mining more and more stuff).
2) I need steel. Lots of steel. I'm lazy to search the Nether for Stronghold. I use Industrial Blast Furnace for making steel. 2 coal = 1 steel.
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Hold. The. Phone.

You can use the IBF to make Steel?

WHAAAAT.
 
ApSciMorgs said:
Yeah. Put in a refined iron and 2 coal dust, and wait a few seconds. And then you have steel!
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I am never going to use that god damn coke oven or that stupid blast furnace ever again.

I feel like I've been shown the light.
 
Mash said:
I am never going to use that god damn coke oven or that stupid blast furnace ever again.

I feel like I've been shown the light.
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I completely forwent RC blast furnaces on AdvancingCraft. Went straight for an IBF instead. I do not regret that decision at all to this day.
 
ApSciMorgs said:
I completely forwent RC blast furnaces on AdvancingCraft. Went straight for an IBF instead. I do not regret that decision at all to this day.
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Yeah I resisted that goofy railcraft time-waster as well. Even though it is insanely cheap to make steel that way.
 
Man, that just turned my whole day around. I was really stressing over how long it would take me to make enough steel for the large boiler room I eventually intend to have.

Well... thanks, guys. That's really awesome.
 
Since reading that boiler efficiency thread, I've been trying to steer away from 'em. One, they're a sink of perfectly good iron/steel that could be used on other things, like GT machines (for steel) and, for iron, freaking combustion engines. Considering I only ever bother with liquid-fueled boilers, anyway, since BC fuel is absolutely god-like for making steam, seeing the time it takes for a boiler to reach, let alone surpass, the fuel efficiency of a regular old combustion engine...I'll just take the less resource-intensive route and build a bank of combustion engines fueling oil fabricators and a refinery or two. Or, like my last map where I fucked up some math, 16, lol.

One of the big reasons I even -want- a redwood PC tree farm is because I wanna see if I can avoid using hell power entirely. Just go charcoal, find an oil well, can some of that up, refine the initial fuel, and get the chain reaction started! Turn a few humble combustion engines into a factory-running, behemothic monstrosity capable of restarting the freaking sun.
 
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