[1.7.10][LISTED] InfiTech 2 Modpack v3.2.21 [HQM][GregTech balanced hard-mode modpack]

[UNG_God]

Hey guys, I'm about to start UUM production, and I'm looking into the best sources of scrap. Any recommendations? I have almost 60,000 stone dust, but apparently that doesn't work.

well use anything that can be easy got but is not black listed like cobble and stone dust, you cant use cobble, but you can run it on a forge hammer to get gravel and use it, i have any excess from farms to be scraped, like sugar canes/pumpkin seeds , tree farms can also be a good source if you macerate a log you get 6 wood pulps . but making uum cost a ton of power.

I thought Damascus Steel wasn't available even tho it's been in NEI forever?

it is possible to get even a low tier , just require a ton of thaumcraft research , damascus have the best durability and knight is a tier 3 metal with also a good dura. If you found some dark steel and push a little to make a dark steel axe powered it will consume power and some of the durability lasting longer. Getting a Gt chainsaw is the best option as it last a long time and if you are lucky you can dismantle it and not lose anything too expensive, but require stainless steel. when i was at the peak of manual chopping i was using steel because i had a 4xbbf making steel non stop.

 

[Sven "flamestrider"]

well use anything that can be easy got but is not black listed like cobble and stone dust, you cant use cobble, but you can run it on a forge hammer to get gravel and use it, i have any excess from farms to be scraped, like sugar canes/pumpkin seeds , tree farms can also be a good source if you macerate a log you get 6 wood pulps . but making uum cost a ton of power.



it is possible to get even a low tier , just require a ton of thaumcraft research , damascus have the best durability and knight is a tier 3 metal with also a good dura. If you found some dark steel and push a little to make a dark steel axe powered it will consume power and some of the durability lasting longer. Getting a Gt chainsaw is the best option as it last a long time and if you are lucky you can dismantle it and not lose anything too expensive, but require stainless steel. when i was at the peak of manual chopping i was using steel because i had a 4xbbf making steel non stop.

It's quite a good investment imo to build a 5x5 multistructure of 4xBBF since making steel in them is so slow and can't be automated... one nice thing is that you can resmelt steel dust(half fuel consumption and time to making iron to steel) from making steel rods in a lathe in pre-EBF era. And most of the BBF resources can be regained with an arc furnace once you get that.

 

[UNG_God]

And most of the BBF resources can be regained with an arc furnace once you get that.

you can also use the bronze plated bricks to build a large bronze boiler, making the cost to make one really small, it is slow but until you enough power (and oxygen) to run an ebf , it pretty nice to use. i never tested conduits on the bbf maybe they work.

 

[targetingyou78]

I just started playing around with IC crops and bees. They both seem like a huge investment. (I'm in a single player world so time investment) What would you guys suggest focusing on?

 

[MarcNemesis]

I just started playing around with IC crops and bees. They both seem like a huge investment. (I'm in a single player world so time investment) What would you guys suggest focusing on?

After playing with crops and recently finding out how to boost their stats to 21/31/X, i'd recommend bees as they are an easyer certainty while crops are more random though more powerfull.

That's my own opinion though.

 

[targetingyou78]

After playing with crops and recently finding out how to boost their stats to 21/31/X, i'd recommend bees as they are an easyer certainty while crops are more random though more powerfull.

That's my own opinion though.

I have made some headway with IC crops but it just seems so... random (like you said). I have a group of Ferru like 4/4/X and they are growing fine but I have a few 1/1/1 coppon and they can't even grow. I even gave them fertilizer. (I'm in a swampland biome also). Are there any magical IC crops? I know you can get magical bees.

 

[Sven "flamestrider"]

you can also use the bronze plated bricks to build a large bronze boiler, making the cost to make one really small, it is slow but until you enough power (and oxygen) to run an ebf , it pretty nice to use. i never tested conduits on the bbf maybe they work.

true, you can use them for the large bronze boiler... I personally tend to go Railcraft for the early large-scale steam rather than the "downgrade" going from GT HP boilers to GT-LBB.

I figured that you couldn't hook anything to the BBF since the only face on the controller that's available is the front side... which doesn't allow "any" connections, or am I wrong?


I wonder if anyone has built a thaumcraft "steel-mill" in infitech2 and if it's worth the effort?

 

[MarcNemesis]

I have made some headway with IC crops but it just seems so... random (like you said). I have a group of Ferru like 4/4/X and they are growing fine but I have a few 1/1/1 coppon and they can't even grow. I even gave them fertilizer. (I'm in a swampland biome also). Are there any magical IC crops? I know you can get magical bees.

The best way to raise crop is definitly to:

1) Be in a swamp biome
2) Be over Y=128
3) Use fertilizer

After that, it's just a matter of making "nursery" (2x2 works fine) and use a GT Tricorder to look at the new-bred crop stats. If they are better, keep them to breed new and better stats. If they are lower, destroy it right away until you get what you want.

As for the type of crop, you can influence the the result by looking at the recipe frok Nei. The higher the points, the higher the chance to breed that crop. In the long run, most crop have a chance to yield any crop but you have better chance by cross-breeding the right crop together.

All that being said, the reason i recommend bees is because bees don't have a bazillion result. Bee "A" and Bee "B" have a fix % chance to yield Bee "C" or a hybrid Bee "A-B".

It is good to note though that some things can only be gotten through bees or crops (in example: Ruby comb are bee exclusive just as nether star can be grown through crop and not bees.)

 

[targetingyou78]

The best way to raise crop is definitly to:

1) Be in a swamp biome
2) Be over Y=128
3) Use fertilizer

After that, it's just a matter of making "nursery" (2x2 works fine) and use a GT Tricorder to look at the new-bred crop stats. If they are better, keep them to breed new and better stats. If they are lower, destroy it right away until you get what you want.

As for the type of crop, you can influence the the result by looking at the recipe frok Nei. The higher the points, the higher the chance to breed that crop. In the long run, most crop have a chance to yield any crop but you have better chance by cross-breeding the right crop together.

All that being said, the reason i recommend bees is because bees don't have a bazillion result. Bee "A" and Bee "B" have a fix % chance to yield Bee "C" or a hybrid Bee "A-B".

It is good to note though that some things can only be gotten through bees or crops (in example: Ruby comb are bee exclusive just as nether star can be grown through crop and not bees.)

LMAO Nether stars can be grown through crops... seems legit. (But 4 planks from wood is OP-- I kid, I kid. I love GT) I am in a swamp biome and I am using fertilizer and I still can't get my Coppon to grow past third growth. (It's only a 1/1/1 and I have a block of copper beneath it)

Scratch that... As I was taking a screen shot I realized I was so dumb that I didn't notice coppon only has 3 growth stages and not four.... Fear not, I will throw myself in the trash. I think I will continue on with Plants now that I realize I can actually grow them as long as my stupidity stays out of the way.

On a side note, I have been breeding my forest and meadows bees for this entire day and they have not mutated once. Are mutations still able to be achieved in a plain Apiary? Also, I'm glad to hear there are things you can only get from one or the other because it gives me a reason to do both eventually.

 

[Joel Falk]

true, you can use them for the large bronze boiler... I personally tend to go Railcraft for the early large-scale steam rather than the "downgrade" going from GT HP boilers to GT-LBB.

Problem i find is that railcraft boilers are very slow to heat which makes them very inefficient. While a bronze boiler only has 2/3 (66,7% of HP coal boiler) of the efficiency of a high pressure coal boiler it heats up quickly. A maxed size low pressure railcraft boiler produces about 40% of the output of a bronze boiler although it has a bit higher efficiency when it finally heats up (74,17%). However the deciding point is that a bronze boiler heats up in less than a minute while maxed size railcraft LP boiler takes hours. So bronze boiler is a LOT more flexible as you can turn it on and off quite easily and the efficiency gains you get is mostly lost during the heating up period of the railcraft boiler.

And once you go steel or above the GT boilers are also more efficient so i would really recommend them before railcraft boilers.

Edit: if you are concerned with energy density with steam you can run about 20 distilleries for biogas with 1 bronze boiler. This would give a biogas net worth of about 500 eu/t

 

[DarknessShadow]

Scratch that... As I was taking a screen shot I realized I was so dumb that I didn't notice coppon only has 3 growth stages and not four.... Fear not, I will throw myself in the trash. I think I will continue on with Plants now that I realize I can actually grow them as long as my stupidity stays out of the way.

lol
You can use the IC2 cropnalyzer to rightclick the plants and it will tell you how many growth stages there are and how much progress it has before it reaches the next stage.

 

[Sven "flamestrider"]

Problem i find is that railcraft boilers are very slow to heat which makes them very inefficient. While a bronze boiler only has 2/3 (66,7% of HP coal boiler) of the efficiency of a high pressure coal boiler it heats up quickly. A maxed size low pressure railcraft boiler produces about 40% of the output of a bronze boiler although it has a bit higher efficiency when it finally heats up (74,17%). However the deciding point is that a bronze boiler heats up in less than a minute while maxed size railcraft LP boiler takes hours. So bronze boiler is a LOT more flexible as you can turn it on and off quite easily and the efficiency gains you get is mostly lost during the heating up period of the railcraft boiler.

And once you go steel or above the GT boilers are also more efficient so i would really recommend them before railcraft boilers.

Edit: if you are concerned with energy density with steam you can run about 20 distilleries for biogas with 1 bronze boiler. This would give a biogas net worth of about 500 eu/t

I guess I should have used the term continuous, rather than large-scale I'm aware that RC boilers are crappy(efficiency-wise) unless you use them continuously.

 

[Joel Falk]

Still with the long warmup it takes a long time for the boiler to catch up in efficiency, i would guess it would take several days untill the best railcraft boiler is on the same efficiency as a bronze boiler. For solid fuels i would say GT boiler>railcraft boiler.

However i do think you have some special uses you can use with railcraft boilers as you can usually burn liquid fuels at 100% efficiency with a bucket and a ender io basic tank and item conduits. I think both lava and LPG fuel (especially pneumaticraft) are excellent for that. For instance oilsand or oil that you crack completly to LPG fuel has an efficiency of around 70% in the pneumaticraft refinery and each bucket of LPG fuel has a very significant burning time as a bucket in a railcraft boiler. I do think this is MV though
Also its nice that 1 max size LP boiler gives slightly more than 5 amps of LV power which is quite suitable for the early LV age so you can run some process machines and the blast furnace at the same time.

TBH the bronze blast furnace production speed is a bit to high. I would much rather have it consume half the fuel and produce half the steam than its current since its honestly a bit difficult consuming 800 mb/tick of steam (10 amps of LV) at that stage.

 

[targetingyou78]

TBH the bronze blast furnace production speed is a bit to high. I would much rather have it consume half the fuel and produce half the steam than its current since its honestly a bit difficult consuming 800 mb/tick of steam (10 amps of LV) at that stage.

If you are still in the steam / bronze age I can definitely see why you would think the bronze boiler produces too much steam but you have to use the bronze boiler to run your LV machines and maybe even MV machines until you get the hundreds upon hundreds of steel required for a steel boiler and trust me, waiting for your bronze boiler to charge your stuff up so you can get just a few recipes done... well it does not feel too over powered then. Just IMO

 

[Joel Falk]

Past LV shouldnt you add more bronze boilers or steel boilers?

Although in if i look back to previous single player worlds i would probably invest quite early into more blast furnaces so the steam would quite quickly be consumed now that i think about it

 

[SolManX]

Wasn't the buff to the gt boilers partly to offset the fact that high-pressure boilers could no longer be automated?

 

[asb3pe]

So, lucky me, I just discovered that directly below my chosen base location is a vanilla skeleton spawner. Good news indeed, since the bonemeal and arrows will come in very handy. Just posting to see if there's something I should do besides making the generic mob grinder for manual kills, is there any other possibility? It's quite a bit more than 16 blocks below my base, but given this new discovery I'm beginning to wonder if it might be worthwhile to try and set up some operation down there to take advantage of the spawner? At the very least, I guess I just found the location for my "waiting room" or "AFK room".

 

[asb3pe]

If you are still in the steam / bronze age I can definitely see why you would think the bronze boiler produces too much steam but you have to use the bronze boiler to run your LV machines and maybe even MV machines until you get the hundreds upon hundreds of steel required for a steel boiler and trust me, waiting for your bronze boiler to charge your stuff up so you can get just a few recipes done... well it does not feel too over powered then. Just IMO

That's not exactly true. I already made a Steel Boiler (all the blocks) while in the steam bronze machine age. However, after I made every block except the Steel Large Boiler Controller Block itself, it was only at that point when I discovered the requirement for 4 Advanced Circuits... which requires Silicon... which you most certainly cannot make while still in the bronze Steam Era. LOL

So you had the right idea... but the wrong explanation. It isn't the "hundreds and hundreds of steel" that is the problem... it's those four Advanced Circuits you need to run the thing.

I really am loving my Bronze Large Boiler in conjunction with a nice Spruce Tree farm using the 4x4 version of the trees, and the Charcoal Pit. It's a heck of a lot nicer and easier than it was back when I was trying to run 160 Coke Ovens in a previous play-thru. No thanks, that was a nightmare of piping and stuff! Adding the Charcoal Pit was a terrific thing in my opinion, and having that sort of quantity of charcoal all for the cost of just a few axes (not a minor cost, mind you)... it's all well worth the time and effort. The "instant-on" feature of the Large Boilers is awesome compared to the awful start-up procedure of the Railcraft boilers.

 

[McFrugal]

So the Advanced Miner II gives better results than macerating. Does the miner work on player-placed blocks?

 

[Jason McRay]

So the Advanced Miner II gives better results than macerating. Does the miner work on player-placed blocks?

Nope it does not