Recent Events Discussion (RED) Thread
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Can we seriously drop this and move on to actual discussion about actual news now?
I tried. I did want to talk to see if Mojang had fixed the latest performance issues.
p.s. I advise changing the name of this thread to recent mod events discussion instead if we can't talk about vanilla.
we BETTER be able to talk about vanilla. (if we can't, qaz gets quuuuuiiiiiiitttteeee annoyed)
@Reika your jedi mind tricks will not work on me young padawan, come to the dark side we have flux.
No. FTB does not now or ever determine what is "Ok" for people to play or use. We do not determine what mod authors do with their code. In fact I go out of my way to not tell mod authors what to do. I have had many prominent members of the community tell me as a major pack dev I should "force devs to do xyz". I don't do it. I won't do it.
What FTB does do is determine which mods we will use in our packs based on:
- Compatibility with other mods - when EU and Mj were the main supported energy systems, that's what was used. And no one started threads to bitch about how IC2 and BC were in every pack and that FTB was playing favorites.
- Stability - doesn't have to be bug free, but the less major world destroying bugs the better. THe less cross mod issues the better.
- Options - RF was in use by 75% of modded minecraft when we made our announcement of the shift in power options. 75% is a pretty strong bias on addon developer's parts. By using RF as our main power we have more addons and compatibility.
- Communication - And no I don't mean they do what I say. I mean they are openly active in the community on forums, public irc rooms, etc. We know what they are thinking and planning and can plan ahead without too many sudden surprises.
- Support - The more streamlined our foundation the easier it is to maintain and update packs. We have had countless issues in the multi-energy packs where one energy type updated and suddenly the cross compatibility broke causing horrid support headaches.
Since FTB started the number of mods available has multiplied greatly. And frankly @Eyamaz and I are tired of making the same pack 4 ways each MC version. DW20, Monster, Mindcrack, Tech and Magic are almost the same pack in every MC version. With only a few mods different. If we use EU as our main energy source we have 6-10 mods that we can use to make packs, MJ = 5-10 , RF = almost every MC mod that uses energy and even some magic mods.
The modders have made their preference for RF clear. We are following their lead.
Would I prefer the few mods without RF support add it? Yes. Its good for compatibility.
Will I use them without it? Depends on the mod and the pack.
FTB or more specifically I and @Eyamaz determine what mods will go into the official non-celebrity packs. Yes it is possible modders will feel that means I am "forcing" them to adopt RF. I am forcing nothing. They can choose not to use RF or anything else I say I want for packs. Just means a lower probability of me using their mod in a pack unless its truly unique.
As an example FZ and RoC are unique.
EIO , IC2, Mek, are not. There are now tons of "Double ore and process" tech mods. Each with 1 or 2 unique functions/components/processes. They can be boiled down to:
- Machine to double/triple/quadruple ores
- Energy Transport - cables, conduits, pipes
- Machine to cook stuff
- Powerful tools
- Energy Production to power the machines
- Some machine or tool that needs the ore boost
Sure some of the energy types function differently. That's a numbers game and while fascinating for some, some of us would prefer a different challenge than doing math.
FZ , RoC and TiCon all add new processes beyond "plop a block and some wires and do some math" but there is limited cross mod support for the first 2.
If mod devs really wanted to make me and @Eyamaz happy they would split their mods into
- Machines
- Energy/Item/Fluid Transport and Storage
- Energy Production - with cross compatible transformers
- Resources
- Fun extras
But that would be way too much work for the modders, and I would never ask them to do that, even if I think it would be awesome.
So why did we pick TE?
- Most modders were already compatible
- We knew it was being split
- It has one of the best world gen customization options
- The devs are active, friendly and responsive
- Its a good lightweight foundation to build unique packs on - (yes I know about the 1.6 FMP bug)
I like mods that let the pack designer control the pack, as opposed to mods that want their mod to control the pack and dominate everything in it.
As a "processing and energy" mod, TE3 is the most compatible, lightest weight (ignoring 1 FMP bug in 1.6) and most malleable. It fits more pack styles than any other. In 1.2.5, 1.3.1 and 1.4.7 BC and Eu were the main energy types. So they were the foundation. The modded community started shifting away from EU in 1.5 and in 1.6 it shifted towards RF, packs shift with mods which in turn influences mods created , until mods start changing and the process begins again. Refusing to shift with the modders out of "tradition" or "math" is not something we are going to do. Anyone is free to create their own pack.
Creating a successful pack on my own is how I got invited to the FTB Modpack team. I did it the hard way, I asked permissions, I tested, I broke things and eventually my packs gained popularity. At this point its possible my next pack may get a popularity boost from my reputation, but anyone can start where I started. Don't yell at the people making packs. Make your own. Make it good. Build your fan base and PROVE your idea is popular. Everything I am working towards with FTB and Curse and mod devs is to make it easier for people to make packs that suit their unique view. But you have to actually do the work yourself. You can't just release a pack and expect it to take off instantly.
Ok that was longer than I planned.....
I don't see what all the drama is about, personally. Now BC kenesis pipes are going to be less laggy, but otherwise identical in application to how they were. The average user will probably never notice other than maybe +1-2 FPS. From a practical user's perspective, this should be a non-issue.
You could already convert RF to MJ, so you could ALREADY power BC machines with TE power. This just makes that less convoluted. Heck, they can even keep their decimal shift if they want.
Moving on... I'm going to try to learn how to HQM. Not as in play a HQM map, but as in learn how to make one. I have... ideas.
You could already convert RF to MJ, so you could ALREADY power BC machines with TE power. This just makes that less convoluted. Heck, they can even keep their decimal shift if they want.
Moving on... I'm going to try to learn how to HQM. Not as in play a HQM map, but as in learn how to make one. I have... ideas.
Uhm...
We need news. Here's something. Oh wait. More RF.
Uh... Something else....
/me madly checks Twitter
I am excited already.
So FastCraft got updated. Question: Does this help or hurt your performance?
For me, it helps. I know for @Qazplm601 , it hurts.
We need news. Here's something. Oh wait. More RF.
/me madly checks Twitter
I am excited already.So FastCraft got updated. Question: Does this help or hurt your performance?
For me, it helps. I know for @Qazplm601 , it hurts.
yep. -20 fps.Uhm...
We need news. Here's something. Oh wait. More RF.
Uh... Something else....
/me madly checks Twitter
So FastCraft got updated. Question: Does this help or hurt your performance?
For me, it helps. I know for @Qazplm601 , it hurts.
EDIT: Well heck, had not realized jaded spoke up...covers what I wanted to say better...Guess I should read through all posts THEN reply...
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YAY! Both jaded and eyamaz liked one of my posts!
On to a serious topic: What kind of changes have we seen for the magic mods in 1.7.10?
On to a serious topic: What kind of changes have we seen for the magic mods in 1.7.10?
I now exist in that sphere.
Just released today, in early alpha, but all the worldgen is there.
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Thaumcraft updated and added a decent amount of neat content and a few nerfs.
Witchery added some stuff but honestly I don't use Witchery that much because it's simply not very useful in SSP compared to most other mods. The vast majority of its content is aimed at PvP.
Botania added a bunch of neat and helpful things like a starfield creator and a Mana-to-RF converter. Vazkii still reigns supreme when it comes to new ideas.
ChromatiCraft is a thing now.
Re read your own statement and listen to how it sounds. "Until RF mods take off from the "set and forget" mentality"
This part makes it sound like you are demanding existing mods to change. They won't. Not for you. Hopefully not for anyone. They built there mods how they like them. And that's how they should change.
Now if you stated that you won't use RF until someone uses it to make a mod with a more complex power network. Then it might have bin worth reading.
Because arbitrary demands, they are going to be frequently ignored.
Complaints we might read them then ignore them. But not demands.
Demands to into the spam filter with PoSteRs Lak Das.