There is a reason that @Padfoote posted besides RF things, but I do not know if he would like me to share them, and it is hella off-topic
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[WIP?] Redstone Fluctuation
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I personally like mods like TE way better than IC2. IC2 is harder yes, but it also way more annoying and obnoxious. I'm fine with a mod that is optional for this, because I can remove it form packs, and others could enjoy it. I just hate the idea of exploding machines, losing power, and energy corrosion. Myswell make the machines break if you dont pick them up with a wrench.
Im just worried if the mod gets made it will show up in Agr Skies2 and make me miserable on servers.
I'm not denying you your opinion, but some people like those kind of things. And if they aren't somehow made into more mods than IC2 (this is needed because EU is becoming less used) the RF API will make it where they don't exist. Except for RotaryCraft because RC is f***ing awesomeI personally like mods like TE way better than IC2. IC2 is harder yes, but it also way more annoying and obnoxious. I'm fine with a mod that is optional for this, because I can remove it form packs, and others could enjoy it. I just hate the idea of exploding machines, losing power, and energy corrosion. Myswell make the machines break if you dont pick them up with a wrench.
Not to mention the issues with multiblocks (if the cables still have that issue)... I haven't used IC2 properly since it came out into experimental they should just call it IC3, it's nothing like IC2 anymoreI personally like mods like TE way better than IC2. IC2 is harder yes, but it also way more annoying and obnoxious. I'm fine with a mod that is optional for this, because I can remove it form packs, and others could enjoy it. I just hate the idea of exploding machines, losing power, and energy corrosion. Myswell make the machines break if you dont pick them up with a wrench.
I complety respect that others want this. I came into the modding community when IC2 was on its way out and TE in and am a tad biased towards TE. I get it that some could want this, just sharing my opinion as well.
Also RC is hard in a good way, but awesome. I like that in a mod, but just not in TE. I take it the "stirring the pot" comment was aimed at me. I am not trying to cause drama, nothing discussed on this forum is worth getting worked up over. And I never said that I dont like the idea, I just think its aimed in the wrong direction. What I envy most about Gregtech players is that they have an actual reason to automate things and that production lines can get really complicated with multiple crafting steps involving more than just ingots. I dont want the entire game to be about managing the functions of my five machines. I want it to be about automating my dozens.
I agree. Also Mekanism does a good job of offering newer players/ lazy people the option of doing 2x ore processing the 3x, 4x, and for really crazy people who like craziness 5x.
Also how was epidemia "stirring the pot" by offering his opinion? We are going to have one.Well, when most new tech mods produce or use RF and the popularity of things like buildcraft and IC2 seem to be wavering, it's a pretty legitimate fear. Popularity of specific systems or standards stifles the creativity of mod devs. RF is easier to program and already supported by a large number of mods, which in turn makes it more popular. Why spend the time making something complex and unique when you can skip a large amount of coding and tack on the the RF system? What really doesn't help is people wanting updates to minecraft version x.y.z and the whole "1.7 is glitchy and 1.8 is out" garbage. RF is popular because it gained popularity because it's easy.
Also, completely off topic, but love the string of Spice and Wolf avatars.
1.8 modding isn't possible because of the large JSON files anyway, I think we should stay on 1.7 and we should optimize MC
I don't see any real big problem with RF is a stable simple power system that works well. If you are looking for something harder play with IC2 and Gregtech.
If you wanted to play with RF and make it harder maybe have a mod that doubles the machines RF power requirements, with a config option x2, x3, x4, x5.
Note: When I play I turn on the harder recipes for TE and Ender IO.
If you wanted to play with RF and make it harder maybe have a mod that doubles the machines RF power requirements, with a config option x2, x3, x4, x5.
Note: When I play I turn on the harder recipes for TE and Ender IO.
Saying if you don't like <mod> then play <other mod(s)> which are nothing alike is a VERY stupid statement.
A LOT of people do not like Gregtech, all the changes it makes, the unification of everything (which can be annoying if people don't use oreDict stuff in their mods' recipes - which they shouldn't HAVE to) and EXPLOSIONS! It's also not a newb friendly mod. And, let's face it EU is becoming a dead thing nowadays. I don't want to kill it while it can still fight, but MJ was in EUs position at the dawn of 1.6. People could use RF as MJ, and because MJ was a PITA to create, everyone just used RF. And seeing as there are a million and one ways to convert RF to EU, why keep it. The mod isn't what it used to be, I used to be a massive "IC2 fangirl" but now, nah. Not my sorta thing, IC2-exp. really ruined IC2... it feels too greg-teched.
Also, the amount of IC2 add-ons/EU using/producing mods is nothing like RFs. It is just one of those things: supply and demand. So much demand for RF stuff (e.g RF solar panels) loads of mod devs add them, Solar Flux, and Solar Exapansion, to name the first 2 that came to mind.
But if someone wants to use RF, which is a MUCH better power system, especially for someone new who doesn't KNOW that they shouldn't use a pickaxe to break the machine, or don't know how to edit a config file to get the beloved vanilla recipes to be vanilla, then it is a TERRIBLE idea.
I'm sorry. I don't mean to rant. But in a thread where a mod dev has said that they would like to create a "RF gregtech" sorta thing, don't recommend IC2 gregtech. That exists, and it's fine. But let's see something similar for RF. It actually needs it. IC2 doesn't... unless you add advanced solars/compact solars, then yeah, gregtech away.
Not until the old render system gets reimplemented by someoneYou mean never possible or just right now?
TE is too easy. It removes all thought process in a game that is about building. Rather than needing to build a piping system to process all of my ores, I can drop two blocks down by each other and it magically handles everything.
Mekanism recycles ideas from other mods? I can't name a single mod that hasn't recycled an idea from somewhere else. I've never had a lag issue with Mek, and haven't heard of any except for where TE happened to be thrown in. 5x ore processing allows me to build whatever I want, which I find to be the point of MC. And if I didn't have 5x, I would still have 2x. The total multiplication means nothing to me.
Posting one of them myself:
I'm from the BTW community. Building challenges are what I'm all about. Having something so dumbed down to the point where I don't have to think to design something like an ore processing system kills all fun for me and I view it as treating me like a child who is unable to perform simple addition, hence my hatred of TE. Mods like BTW, GT, RC, RoC, and ReC bring a challenge to MC for me, and that challenge is building a system to do a single task.
The argument of "if you want challenge go play GT" is absurd. There are plenty of people, including myself, who would like a challenge outside of just GT. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and this proposed mod seeks to do just that. That's one of the reasons I use RoC and RC extensively; they add difficulty to the game and aren't GT.
And as a note since acronyms are constantly being thrown around, I use RC to refer to RailCraft, and RoC to refer to RotaryCraft.
Sorry that I haven't been around everyone, Here's a quick reply catchup lol. I've actually been playing Minecraft, No intention on Abandoning this or the topic just was taking a quick break.
2. I find no reason for there to be more in the first place. I'd like more machines.
3. Editing. Also I feel that its a bit too weak of a cost.
5. I won't be adding power storage the system will be adapted to Ender IO's, Thermal Expansions and etc.'s Power Storage.
Lastly I'm not trying to balance TE more I'm more trying to balance RF as a whole, I feel it's lack of loss anywhere in it makes it an end all power system that is just straight overpowered. My example of this would be the flying rings from ExU making jetpacks and other ways of flying that have a cost pointless; Now I wouldn't say RF makes all other power systems pointless but it's darn near close.
2. I too like a challenge and that why I dislike TE as it is currently as well as RF.
3. GT... I like it better before alot of the changes to it. I like Red Power Era GT more.
Hmm, I do see this as a problem; I will see what I can do about this. I'm unsure of what I should do though; I'll think about it.
1. I'm just mentioning as an example, I will be making support for multiple mods not just Ender IO.
2. I find no reason for there to be more in the first place. I'd like more machines.
3. Editing. Also I feel that its a bit too weak of a cost.
5. I won't be adding power storage the system will be adapted to Ender IO's, Thermal Expansions and etc.'s Power Storage.
Lastly I'm not trying to balance TE more I'm more trying to balance RF as a whole, I feel it's lack of loss anywhere in it makes it an end all power system that is just straight overpowered. My example of this would be the flying rings from ExU making jetpacks and other ways of flying that have a cost pointless; Now I wouldn't say RF makes all other power systems pointless but it's darn near close.
My tired brain is trying to comprehend this but I cant I will re-read this in the morning and give a better response in an edit.
Fun fact this isn't a debate, I'm creating this and asking the community what I should do to change it. I also mentioned that I'd rather no one actually say "WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS" and just ignore the topic if you feel that way. I don't want any debating, flaming or conversation about why it is or isn't overpowered. If you even read the topic you would have noticed that this is potentially a mod; Hopefully you will re-read this as I enjoy your work and would like your opinion on this (Again please try to not skim).
It's your choice to play the way you like, The way I like is like how EU and the older system's functioned. This would be a mod for the people who think the same as me. There is no right or wrong way of playing when it comes to that, just what you like (Take note of this Gideonseymour I'm not asking for a debate, I'm just wanting to help people like me; I'm not trying to shun anyone).Personally I like RF how it is, and dislike the older EU, and MJ systems. I think because RF and TE werent so complicated in there energy system it made YouTubers and players want to use them more so. If you want more of a challenge just use IC2 with GT.
1. I agree that TE is too easy hence my reason for trying to complicate the power system and hopefully get rid of the overstoring of power (I feel that RF is just MJ with power storage and no overloading which makes it horrendously overpowered; power storage alone makes it bad).
2. I too like a challenge and that why I dislike TE as it is currently as well as RF.
3. GT... I like it better before alot of the changes to it. I like Red Power Era GT more.
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I think we can safely change this statement to: "If you want a challange, play a mod that provides a challange". This statement is defenitly not absurd. Because if you want a challange you have 2 options: Either find a mod that provides that challange. Or make a mod that provides that challange. Considering that most people wont know how to make a mod, its quite safe to state "If you want a challange, play a mod that provides a challange" and be completly reasonable.
If annything, I think going for option C and complaining that other mods/API's are OP and should be changed to fit a certain playstyle is absurd. Thankfully thats not what this threat is about!
I think your missing what you are going for here. Your problem with TE is that its a completely different playstyle then you want. You should make your own mods with gameplay rules that fit your playstyle. Wich is exactly what you are trying to do. However, I think the mistake you are making is that you want to change existing mods. That sounds very familiar to what gregtech does and as we all know, isnt that well recieved. Your problem is not with the RF API. RF is a low lag API that allows easy cross mod interactions. You can make another API ontop of it to fit your playstyle. Use that one in your mod, even if all the mod does is showcase what the API does. Why? So you can make it public and suggest its use for other mods.
PS Did you skip my concern for using cell/tank transfer for power or do you actually think that wont be a problem?
- There are people who want the challenge of Gregtech, but do not want other things from GT
- That is absurd, but no one is arguing for mods to be changed; only for new mods to be made using the RF API that are more complex
- GT does NOTHING to other recipes except for IC2 and vanilla. All the other changes are made by the other mods