Which of these PC's are better for Modded Minecraft

[ThePredatorZ]

Hi,
I am planning on buying a new PC and dont know which one to get out of these two. As I am not much of an expert on different PC parts I dont know what ones are better than the others.. These PC's are pre-built and parts can't be changed. I do not know how to build a PC so that is not an option. I am stuck between these two so if anyone could help me it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

1st PC Specs:
Brand VIBOX
Item Weight 12 Kg
Color 8GB, 1TB, Win 8.1 - £575
Screen Size 21.50 inches
Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080
Maximum Display Resolution 1080p Full HD
Processor Brand AMD
Processor Type Athlon 64 FX
Processor Speed 4 GHz
Processor Socket SOCKETAM3+
Processor Count 4
RAM Size 8 GB
Computer Memory Type DDR3 SDRAM
Hard Drive Size 1000 GB
Hard Disk Technology HDD 7200 rpm
Hard Drive Interface Serial ATA-300
Additional Drives DVD/CD-RW
Graphics Coprocessor Radeon
Graphics Card Description Good value, mid-level dedicated graphics card. This will play all current games in average-high resolution settings. Perfect for beginners/casual online gamers
Graphics Card Ram Size 2 GB
Graphics Card Interface PCI-E
Optical Drive Type DVD/CD
Power Source AC
Hardware Platform PC
Operating System Windows 8



2nd PC Spec:
Basic Specification

Fractal Design Node 304 Case - All new Yogscast wrap
Intel Pentium G3258 Anniversary Dual Core Processor overclocked to up to 4.3GHz
Akasa Nero 3 Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler
Asus H81I-Plus Motherboard
8GB Corsair PC3-12800 1600MHz DDR3 Memory
Chillblast NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 1GB Graphics Card
500GB 7200RPM Hard Disk - 6Gbps
500watt 80+ Aerocool PSU
Onboard High Definition Audio
Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OEM
2 year collect and return UK Warranty

Ports on rear of system*

4 x USB 2.0 ports
2 x USB 3.0 ports
1 x PS/2 for keyboard
Audio outputs
1 x 10/100/1000Mbps
Ethernet for network
1 x DVI output
1 x HDMI output
1 x DP output

May vary if configuration is altered!

Ports on case:

2 x USB 2.0 ports
FP audio

 

[ThatOneSlowking]

Can you build a LEGO set? You can build a PC. Trust me, it is an option if you can watch an up to 10 minute long youtube video. Never buy a pre-built. Now if you are still insistent on wasting money on a pre-built I will just leave. But if you want to sae money and have fun setting it up, build a PC. If you want proof I can find a video and then give you my reccomended specs.

 

[ThePredatorZ]

I do not have the time and/or the patience to build a PC. If anything went wrong then I would be screwed

 

[Yusunoha]

I agree that custom build pc's are better and I also agree if I would build one myself and would screw something up I'd be f*****
so I had a custom pc build by a computer store... sure, it cost me a bit more money, but this way I knew for sure the pc would be build correctly and if something would go wrong I would have a warranty

 

[ThePredatorZ]

I have looked around and there are no computer stores that will build me a PC
I would much rather buy one of those.

 

[namiasdf]

I think that better case designs would be the most effective.

 

[Ritt]

Either of those machines will run mods just fine. The second one may run cooler/quieter than the first one. The only reason you might want more is if you like to play with shader mods, otherwise you can feel fine about either of these computers.

Hi,
I am planning on buying a new PC and dont know which one to get out of these two. As I am not much of an expert on different PC parts I dont know what ones are better than the others.. These PC's are pre-built and parts can't be changed. I do not know how to build a PC so that is not an option. I am stuck between these two so if anyone could help me it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

1st PC Specs:
Brand VIBOX
Item Weight 12 Kg
Color 8GB, 1TB, Win 8.1 - £575
Screen Size 21.50 inches
Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080
Maximum Display Resolution 1080p Full HD
Processor Brand AMD
Processor Type Athlon 64 FX
Processor Speed 4 GHz
Processor Socket SOCKETAM3+
Processor Count 4
RAM Size 8 GB
Computer Memory Type DDR3 SDRAM
Hard Drive Size 1000 GB
Hard Disk Technology HDD 7200 rpm
Hard Drive Interface Serial ATA-300
Additional Drives DVD/CD-RW
Graphics Coprocessor Radeon
Graphics Card Description Good value, mid-level dedicated graphics card. This will play all current games in average-high resolution settings. Perfect for beginners/casual online gamers
Graphics Card Ram Size 2 GB
Graphics Card Interface PCI-E
Optical Drive Type DVD/CD
Power Source AC
Hardware Platform PC
Operating System Windows 8



2nd PC Spec:
Basic Specification

Fractal Design Node 304 Case - All new Yogscast wrap
Intel Pentium G3258 Anniversary Dual Core Processor overclocked to up to 4.3GHz
Akasa Nero 3 Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler
Asus H81I-Plus Motherboard
8GB Corsair PC3-12800 1600MHz DDR3 Memory
Chillblast NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 1GB Graphics Card
500GB 7200RPM Hard Disk - 6Gbps
500watt 80+ Aerocool PSU
Onboard High Definition Audio
Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OEM
2 year collect and return UK Warranty

Ports on rear of system*

4 x USB 2.0 ports
2 x USB 3.0 ports
1 x PS/2 for keyboard
Audio outputs
1 x 10/100/1000Mbps
Ethernet for network
1 x DVI output
1 x HDMI output
1 x DP output

May vary if configuration is altered!

Ports on case:

2 x USB 2.0 ports
FP audio

 

[namiasdf]

In all seriousness, you want to focus on having a good processor (CPU), then having a decent graphics card (GPU). RAM is super cheap and easily upgraded, so that should never be your limiting factor.

 

[TheMechEngineer]

I have looked around and there are no computer stores that will build me a PC
I would much rather buy one of those.

Keep hunting out a custom PC unless it's impossible, I got mine built by a store that builds custom PCs and you can't find any comparable value anywhere else.

 

[ThatOneSlowking]

We could use you over in the pc master race subreddit

Bruh, that was the first sub I subscribed tl back when I mademy reddit account a few months back. A bit late.

 

[Chaka]

If your going to buy one. Check out ibuypower.com they have decent computers

Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store

 

[ThePredatorZ]

Thank you everybody! I think ill buy the 1st Build Thanks again!
-ThePredatorZ

 

[Hambeau]

I agree that custom build pc's are better and I also agree if I would build one myself and would screw something up I'd be f*****
so I had a custom pc build by a computer store... sure, it cost me a bit more money, but this way I knew for sure the pc would be build correctly and if something would go wrong I would have a warranty

On this note, stay away from the second system!!!!

The key to look for is the fact that the CPU is overclocked. This will void the warranty on at least the CPU, and possibly other components (such as ram) as well. A failed overclocked CPU may just take out itself, but if it manages to damage the power supply you can kiss off every other internal component... Basically everything but the monitor, keyboard and mouse could be destroyed. I've seen it happen in the 30+ years I've been building computers, both my own and as a service tech.

Overclocking is risky and not an option for anyone not willing to take the time or put in the effort to learn how to build (and fix) their own system.

 

[Death_Rictus]

Can you build a LEGO set? You can build a PC. Trust me, it is an option if you can watch an up to 10 minute long youtube video. Never buy a pre-built. Now if you are still insistent on wasting money on a pre-built I will just leave. But if you want to sae money and have fun setting it up, build a PC. If you want proof I can find a video and then give you my reccomended specs.

While I used to agree with this sentiment, I've learned that if you look around you can have a custom PC built, tested, and warrantied for relatively low cost. My last system from AVADirect was all of 7% more than the base component cost from Newegg but came with the burn in testing, shipping, etc. Was totally worth it to me to not have to it together and test it myself.

On this note, stay away from the second system!!!!

The key to look for is the fact that the CPU is overclocked. This will void the warranty on at least the CPU, and possibly other components (such as ram) as well.

Almost any reputable PC vendor that does stock overclocks also gives their own warranty to cover if anything is damaged.

 

[wolfsilver00]

I have looked around and there are no computer stores that will build me a PC
I would much rather buy one of those.

Don't you have a friend that, you know.. Knows shit? I built my first pc with spare parts of my uncle's pcs when I was 13 or so.. And I didn't even knew what the fuck to do, I just put stuff where it made sense.. In half an hour I had the pc working and booting into a debian installer.. Like seriously, it's not rocket science dude, if you don't have the "Patience" to build your own pc, you shouldn't even be playing minecraft.. Don't be lazy, don't stay ignorant, you are being given the option to not only get a better computer for a better price, but to also learn something while doing it..

Also, you can't mess up building a computer, literally, there is no god damn connector on a pc in which you could connect something that doesn't belong there.

Quick summary:
Don't touch the motherboard too much, don't touch it if you are walking on carpet on bare foot, touch a piece of metal before touching the mother to clear any static on your hands.
Do not overscrewify (Yes that's a word) the motherboard to the case, there is no need for it to be as tight as Obama's wallet.
Do not connect the power first, connect it last.
There is something called FSB, you don't need to understand it, you just need to buy a CPU and a RAM with the same speed as the CPU FSB for the best performance, if you do need you can have a ram with more speed than the CPU FSB, but NEVER OTHERWISE, or you will lose performance and money.
Every motherboard has something called "Socket" in which the CPU goes, look what kind of socket the mother you are looking for has, and be sure the CPU you buy uses that god damn specific socket.
Look at the thingies where you put other thingies in your mother, if you see a long thingy and the ram is a long thingy, then most surely, you need to put your ram in the long thingy (Of which there will be at least 2, up to 6 if you are going bananas with your motherboard). If there is a little thingy that looks like this:
:::. (dots being male connectors, really small male connectors, like asian connectors) then you need to put the front panel case connectors there, you can look at the manual to see which one goes where or just use a flashlight to read whatever it says printed on the mother, the connectors look like little boxes with colored wires, with names like PWR RST LED and the ones that say USB and are black little boxes bigger than the previous you connect in the male little connectors that look like this ::.:

And that. you are done...

 

[NunoAgapito]

For MC, get the best CPU/Motherboard combination you can afford! Then enough RAM, 8 or 16 but be sure you get good and fast RAM! Sometimes, saving some bucks on RAM just kills the whole machine, since the RAM will be slower. And in today's world, the slowest thing a computer has is RAM speed. It kinda didnt evolved much on the last decade, compared to CPU speed... No point having a ultra fast CPU if he has to wait long times for the memory... (The cache size of the CPU is very important because of this)
Lastly, get some good but no need to be a top of the line GPU. Unless you plan to use heavy resource packs or shaders, MC barely uses the GPU, so a mid tier cheap graphic card is more than enough!

That being said, I would not buy any of the two PC's you suggested since they seem to have low mid-tier CPU's, typical for pre-built computers.... All components seem to be the low-mid tier that are usually put on pre-built machines and then sold for the price of a high-mid tier machine... In other words, you probably will get robbed!

Ohhh... almost forgot... get an SSD! It might even be more important then the GPU!

 

[Wagon154]

The Intel Pentium can get the performance of an i5, provided you overclock the hell out of it. And if you do that, you'll need some really good cooling.

 

[NunoAgapito]

The Intel Pentium can get the performance of an i5, provided you overclock the hell out of it. And if you do that, you'll need some really good cooling.

If you need to do an huge overclock on a CPU to obtain a performance of an i5, you already failed at obtaining a good CPU....
And with the cooling money, you just buy a good CPU with a conventional cooling, where you dont need to overclock it and degrade is lifespan(and also prevent from screwing up the overclock and just burn the CPU 1 hour after buying it )

 

[Wagon154]

If you need to do an huge overclock on a CPU to obtain a performance of an i5, you already failed at obtaining a good CPU....
And with the cooling money, you just buy a good CPU with a conventional cooling, where you dont need to overclock it and degrade is lifespan(and also prevent from screwing up the overclock and just burn the CPU 1 hour after buying it )

Oh I know. I'm just saying it's possible. Not that I recommend it.

 

[wolfsilver00]

For MC, get the best CPU/Motherboard combination you can afford! Then enough RAM, 8 or 16 but be sure you get good and fast RAM! Sometimes, saving some bucks on RAM just kills the whole machine, since the RAM will be slower. And in today's world, the slowest thing a computer has is RAM speed. It kinda didnt evolved much on the last decade, compared to CPU speed... No point having a ultra fast CPU if he has to wait long times for the memory... (The cache size of the CPU is very important because of this)
Lastly, get some good but no need to be a top of the line GPU. Unless you plan to use heavy resource packs or shaders, MC barely uses the GPU, so a mid tier cheap graphic card is more than enough!

That being said, I would not buy any of the two PC's you suggested since they seem to have low mid-tier CPU's, typical for pre-built computers.... All components seem to be the low-mid tier that are usually put on pre-built machines and then sold for the price of a high-mid tier machine... In other words, you probably will get robbed!

Ohhh... almost forgot... get an SSD! It might even be more important then the GPU!

That's actually wrong, for minecraft you don't need more than 2 or 3 gigs of ram, so with 4 gigs he could start playing modded without a problem if he is using windows 7 (and less if he is using linux)... Good and fast ram is worthless if your processor can't keep up. Getting the best motherboard usually involves having more sata, PciEx16 and ram slots, which are not needed unless you are going all out PC modding and want to run the latest games at 4k.. So for him, he doesn't need the better mother, it's a waste of money. As for what you said about the slowest thing in a computer is ram, you are completely wrong. The slowest thing there is in today worlds is HDD's. Unless you spend a fuck ton of money on an SSD (which only amplifies files access speed, which would speed up booting of the system or games, but has no impact in actual gameplay) you will have something that hasn't grown in the last 5 decades. Also, DDR3 Ram is relatively new and it's perfectly fit for today's gaming. The actual thing that is keeping us back is GPU's and CPU's, CPU's because there is a limit at which we cannot miniaturize more than we already do, and GPU's because visual information is seriously more heavy to process. CPU's speed hasn't grown as you said, what has grown is the memory, but the clock speed pretty much is in a stalemate, with increments of only 5 to 10% every year.. To which ram's are keeping up perfectly. Also, for the GPU, im running Direwolf20 1.7 with a x64 texture pack (no shaders, I don't like them) perfectly with just a GeForce EVGA Gt520, which is seriously bad, minecraft doesn't need a good GPU if you are not planning on recording it.. So yeah, I'd recommend something like that or above for the OP
What you said about the SSD is seriously wrong.

So yeah, please dude, if you are going to "help" someone, please try to understand what you are talking about, most of what you said is wrong information, I know you didn't mean to just mess around with him, but sometimes it's better to just chill instead of talking about something you half-know.. You could seriously confuse people and that could mess with them..

EDIT:

If you need to do an huge overclock on a CPU to obtain a performance of an i5, you already failed at obtaining a good CPU....
And with the cooling money, you just buy a good CPU with a conventional cooling, where you dont need to overclock it and degrade is lifespan(and also prevent from screwing up the overclock and just burn the CPU 1 hour after buying it )

CPU's nowadays come with failsafes and utilities for safe overclocking, unless you are really TRYING to burn a CPU, you are most likely not going to hurt it. The thing that damages a CPU usually is fluctuating voltages, overclocking it doesn't unless you are not providing a stable voltage to it when you overclock, which again, is most likely impossible unless you have a seriously fucked up PS You can overclock a CPU without a liquid or nitrogen cooling system, conventional cooling works perfectly unless you are overclocking the GPU too, in which case you WILL need liquid cooling, but that's only for CPU modding people... Again, you are riding on obsolete information that may scare the crap out of some people that want to start making their own pc's Don't scare them!