Early game EE2 was still insanely expensive if one couldn't use standard transmutations to make things(aka 8 iron 1 gold, 4 gold, 1 diamond, shapeless with the P-Stone), and I ran it that way.That was hilariously brutal. I agree that MFR and TiCon throw everything out of whack and are ridiculously unbalanced in terms of other mods used along side them, but maybe you are stretching it a bit?
Anyway, both mods are fun to use, but are not so far from things like EE2 and can yield simply stupid amounts of resources in minutes very early game in the wrong pack. It is entirely opinion and preference on whether to use them or not but in no way are they balanced or even remotely challenging in the majority of tech packs. I will not be using them again for the most part because I have outgrown the need for tons of resources with minimal effort. I prefer delayed gratification, hard work yielding great results and a huge reward after huge effort, but not all people want this. It is a matter of choice.
What's your favorite starting mod?
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Good point, but you surely remember the mid to late game results? Hehe
Those infinite diamonds... Hehehe....
What version of TiC are you using? In the DW20 pack, the tools don't level up. I'm going to suspect that your only interaction with TiC is in Agrarian Skies..
Balance is just as much a personal perception as overpoweredness. The TiC I use is fine, yes the tools are crazy, but to get the good materials you have to do some work.
Balance is just as much a personal perception as overpoweredness. The TiC I use is fine, yes the tools are crazy, but to get the good materials you have to do some work.
I'm playing in DW20 1.21 and the lapis levels slowly as you use the tool, but redstone doesn't. Although I'm impatient so just max out lapis after I get a quarry going, if I don't find enough while caving.
I'm not sure to whom you refer, but if its me then I'm not sure you understand fully what I'm saying. If its about the 1 lapis to fortune v thing then disregard this and never mind.
Also, the tools are crazy, yes and loads of fun, but in no way expensive, especially in a pack such as DW20, precisely because of the lack of leveling and the ability to directly apply enhancements to a tool as you go. It is really the hammer that blows the doors off here. Again, it is all up to the user on whether they like it but it cannot be argued in a pack like DW20 that TiC tools are expensive.
A lot of mods factor in to my early game routine. Project Red pickaxes, forestry backpacks, tinkers construct stone tools, and twilight forest where I exploit the hollow hills.
he is referring to the fact that in vanilla TiC if you mine and you have lapis on your tool you can eventually get fortune V
Eh we're hijacking this thread.
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I did not know lapis auto leveled in TiCo without any add-ons.
Did a quick test and unless the rate picks up it seems to be about 1 free lapis per 40 blocks mined. So if you want to save 450 lapis pieces and level it up for free it is about 18000 blocks to mine.
or ~18 ore blocks of lapis in a pulverizer
or ~50 non fortune blocks of ore
I don't know about you, but that amount of manual mining puts me well into end game...
Without the mod I never had difficulty getting fortune 3 and silk touch on an early set of iron picks. So I don't find the silky jewel an issue, and I always spent the lapis for the fortune. I find the emerald gate harder to get than random vanilla enchanting. But I play with ATG terrain gen and villages are rare, and I remove most mods that provide rich chest/dungeon loot, and I don't go biome hopping to get natural emeralds unless I am ready to start modular power suits...
then factor in how much lapis you get when you mine these 18000 blocks. Also, I think it does pick up but I'm not sure
I wasn't referring to you
The self levelling Lapis/fortune is so slow (as someone else pointed out with some nice math, thank you Peppe) it's hardly noticeable to me, thus my ignorance and confusion about self levelling fortune tools.
I never said the tools were expensive, but that you had to do some work to get the good materials. For this I'm referring to Cobalt and Ardite.
To get significant amounts of these items you need flying (as I find most Ardite is found on the underside of overhangs, but that might just be my luck) and an appropriate pick or the Equal Trade wand foci.
These things are simple to get sure, but it takes some time.
Haha OK, just making sureI wasn't referring to you
The self levelling Lapis/fortune is so slow (as someone else pointed out with some nice math, thank you Peppe) it's hardly noticeable to me, thus my ignorance and confusion about self levelling fortune tools.
I never said the tools were expensive, but that you had to do some work to get the good materials. For this I'm referring to Cobalt and Ardite.
To get significant amounts of these items you need flying (as I find most Ardite is found on the underside of overhangs, but that might just be my luck) and an appropriate pick or the Equal Trade wand foci.
These things are simple to get sure, but it takes some time.
If I can just slap an RF battery onto an iron (or thaumium) and paper Frankenstein tool, I really didn't have to do any work for that. It isn't the fast tool possible, but if I just toss some redstone on there from the self leveling fortune, it doesn't matter. And durability is no longer a concern thanks to the battery. So there really is no work to be done material wise, because there's no point to use anything else.
An upgraded stone hammer is better than a diamond pick fully upgraded
My most recent world restarts I have started off going straight to redstone level to get redstone for turtles then I mine for diamonds for both the tool for the turtle and a chunkloader, Then I head out and find an enderman for the ender pearls. I let the turtle chop trees until I get a good bit of wood.
Typically my way of starting takes a full day (IRL) on the server to get fully self-sustainable power wise but it really snowballs off a cliff once I do.
After that I search for the bare minimum things to build an AE system MAC and everything which helps making a big reactors reactor and quarried Items more manageable.
After my most recent world reset I started wondering how fast I could get to endgame (AE MAC + Big Reactor powered laser drill) by cutting corners and only getting the resources needed as fast as possible using everything possible to get the resources needed.
Using dye trees bonemeal is obtainable right off the start in large quantities, the only problem is gold, diamonds and somewhat iron which can take a long time to get the amount required.
If anyone has any insight on fast ore collection I would be glad to hear it I play on monster with dye trees set to give vanilla dyes 100% of the time as the only change to the configs.
Typically my way of starting takes a full day (IRL) on the server to get fully self-sustainable power wise but it really snowballs off a cliff once I do.
After that I search for the bare minimum things to build an AE system MAC and everything which helps making a big reactors reactor and quarried Items more manageable.
After my most recent world reset I started wondering how fast I could get to endgame (AE MAC + Big Reactor powered laser drill) by cutting corners and only getting the resources needed as fast as possible using everything possible to get the resources needed.
Using dye trees bonemeal is obtainable right off the start in large quantities, the only problem is gold, diamonds and somewhat iron which can take a long time to get the amount required.
If anyone has any insight on fast ore collection I would be glad to hear it I play on monster with dye trees set to give vanilla dyes 100% of the time as the only change to the configs.
Hmm seems I am not fully alone ^.^
My opening mods it worlds tends to differ depending on how I start. My last two worlds I opened with Blood Magic and Witchery.
Blood magic is easily top five mod for me. The rituals are surprisingly useful as are the sigils. So I get into it early and progress to around tier3 then pause for a while there. My last world I got so into BM that before I crashed and corrupted the file I was contemplating making a CC touch-monitor so I could turn on and off the nearly dozen rituals I had setup around my base at will... Though I did also toy with the idea of Wireless Redstone.
Witchery I get into cause, like BM, its one of my top 5 mods. I generally put a premium on getting the Infusion of Otherworld. As it makes you so damn mobile once you get the hang of it. Plus I can use the rituals from it to teleport around over greater distances.
My opening mods it worlds tends to differ depending on how I start. My last two worlds I opened with Blood Magic and Witchery.
Blood magic is easily top five mod for me. The rituals are surprisingly useful as are the sigils. So I get into it early and progress to around tier3 then pause for a while there. My last world I got so into BM that before I crashed and corrupted the file I was contemplating making a CC touch-monitor so I could turn on and off the nearly dozen rituals I had setup around my base at will... Though I did also toy with the idea of Wireless Redstone.
Witchery I get into cause, like BM, its one of my top 5 mods. I generally put a premium on getting the Infusion of Otherworld. As it makes you so damn mobile once you get the hang of it. Plus I can use the rituals from it to teleport around over greater distances.