What makes my FPS go up?

[epidemia78]

Im sorry but minecraft was never meant to be modded in the first place. Thus, all mods are hacks. Optifine is mainly geared towards vanilla players who just want the game to look better which seems to me a lot less hacky than adding in a crapton of new gameplay features that completely undermine the way the game is supposed to be played. Not that I am complaining, vanilla is boring.

I remember when you had to install forge into the minecraft.jar...

All this talk about "editing base classes" doesnt really make a lot of sense to me. As long as it works, I dont care about the details. And it reads pretty much verbatim what mdiyo was saying about optifine.

 

[Shakie666]

Im sorry but minecraft was never meant to be modded in the first place. Thus, all mods are hacks. Optifine is mainly geared towards vanilla players who just want the game to look better which seems to me a lot less hacky than adding in a crapton of new gameplay features that completely undermine the way the game is supposed to be played. Not that I am complaining, vanilla is boring.

I remember when you had to install forge into the minecraft.jar...

If it wasn't meant to be modded, the game would have something in place to stop people messing with it.

Not only that; why would the guys at mojang even contemplate a modding API?

 

[midi_sec]

Im sorry but minecraft was never meant to be modded in the first place. Thus, all mods are hacks. Optifine is mainly geared towards vanilla players who just want the game to look better which seems to me a lot less hacky than adding in a crapton of new gameplay features that completely undermine the way the game is supposed to be played. Not that I am complaining, vanilla is boring.

I remember when you had to install forge into the minecraft.jar...

I think I'm quite finished with this conversation if you can't grasp what is and is not a hack.

I'm setting myself up if I keep going.

Edit: Oh, you edited

All this talk about "editing base classes" doesnt really make a lot of sense to me. As long as it works, I dont care about the details. And it reads pretty much verbatim what mdiyo was saying about optifine.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You admit that you have no idea how it works, but it's not a hack amirite?

 

[Wagon153]

Im sorry but minecraft was never meant to be modded in the first place. Thus, all mods are hacks. Optifine is mainly geared towards vanilla players who just want the game to look better which seems to me a lot less hacky than adding in a crapton of new gameplay features that completely undermine the way the game is supposed to be played. Not that I am complaining, vanilla is boring.

I remember when you had to install forge into the minecraft.jar...

Difference between most mods and Optifine though is the way they do it. Most mods use Forge as it is meant to be used, as a "hook". Optifine bypasses Forge and edits classes(or parts of classes) that Forge has no hooks for, thus causing problems. For example, Optifine does a lot of changes to the rendering classes. Most mods use the base minecraft rendering classes to do their rendering. Combine those two together, and you have some pretty whacky rendering happening. And it can be pretty hard to pin down because of this.

NOTE: I am NOT saying Optifine is bad for doing this. I am just explaining why it can cause issues in a modded environment.

 

[epidemia78]

Difference between most mods and Optifine though is the way they do it. Most mods use Forge as it is meant to be used, as a "hook". Optifine bypasses Forge and edits classes(or parts of classes) that Forge has no hooks for, thus causing problems. For example, Optifine does a lot of changes to the rendering classes. Most mods use the base minecraft rendering classes to do their rendering. Combine those two together, and you have some pretty whacky rendering happening. And it can be pretty hard to pin down because of this.

NOTE: I am NOT saying Optifine is bad for doing this. I am just explaining why it can cause issues in a modded environment.

I understand this perfectly. What I dont understand is why some people seem to take personal offense to the way optifine does things, completely ignoring the fact that he is very active in his thread on the minecraft forum, and always works at improving compatibilty. On the first page of his thread is a todo statement including fixing the broken magnum torch issue. He doesnt say "well dont use extra utilities then!" Hes a class act and deserves some respect.

 

[Wagon153]

I understand this perfectly. What I dont understand is why some people seem to take personal offense to the way optifine does things, completely ignoring the fact that he is very active in his thread on the minecraft forum, and always works at improving compatibilty. On the first page of his thread is a todo statement including fixing the broken magnum torch issue. He doesnt say "well dont use extra utilities then!" Hes a class act and deserves some respect.

Aye, it's sad when any mod dev undergoes abuse for the way they code their mod. Spx has no way of accomplishing what he needs to without editing the base classes. The people who hate on him don't understand that. I personally do not use Optifine for the reasons stated previously, but I do not at all harbor any resentment towards the mod developer.

 

[midi_sec]

Aye, it's sad when any mod dev undergoes abuse for the way they code their mod. Spx has no way of accomplishing what he needs to without editing the base classes. The people who hate on him don't understand that. I personally do not use Optifine for the reasons stated previously, but I do not at all harbor any resentment towards the mod developer.

There is a big difference between hating on a coder, and hating on code.

 

[Wagon153]

There is a big difference between hating on a coder, and hating on code.

I don't hate on either. And many people don't understand the difference.

 

[epidemia78]

Well, coders in general seem like pretty hateful people to be honest. So much drama. It must be due to the long hours spent in isolation, staring at a monitor.

 

[Hambeau]

Well, coders in general seem like pretty hateful people to be honest. So much drama. It must be due to the long hours spent in isolation, staring at a monitor.

If coders are truly hateful people then it's the result of dealing with people who cannot be bothered to learn the details that go into coding yet insist on telling the coder "how easy" the changes they are requesting should be to accomplish.

 

[epidemia78]

If coders are truly hateful people then it's the result of dealing with people who cannot be bothered to learn the details that go into coding yet insist on telling the coder "how easy" the changes they are requesting should be to accomplish.

Yeah, bet you that is exactly that sort of pressure that made Algorithm decide to quit AE2. And I should retract my statement about coders in general being hateful. Most of the modders I have talked to on this site are nice, and I truly appreciate what they have done. Theres just a couple whos attitudes have rubbed me the wrong way. Yet I still play their mods like a hypocrite, lol.

 

[ratchet freak]

If it wasn't meant to be modded, the game would have something in place to stop people messing with it.

Not only that; why would the guys at mojang even contemplate a modding API?

it's called obfuscation and it's the reason why it takes a day or 2 for a Forge version to come out for a new version

 

[Wagon153]

Yeah, bet you that is exactly that sort of pressure that made Algorithm decide to quit AE2. And I should retract my statement about coders in general being hateful. Most of the modders I have talked to on this site are nice, and I truly appreciate what they have done. Theres just a couple whos attitudes have rubbed me the wrong way. Yet I still play their mods like a hypocrite, lol.

I'm not a big fan of Skyboy and mDiyo, but I still play MFR and TiCo. Opinion of the mod dev shouldn't decide whether you play the mod.

 

[midi_sec]

Yeah, bet you that is exactly that sort of pressure that made Algorithm decide to quit AE2.

Not at all.

In fact, he made a nice post explaining what happened, and why.

 

[epidemia78]

Not at all.

In fact, he made a nice post explaining what happened, and why.

"increasingly aggravated; partially due to the increased negativity surrounding the mod"

 

[Wagon153]

"increasingly aggravated; partially due to the increased negativity surrounding the mod"

"But mostly due to pushing myself too hard."
But yes, it did seem the toxicity of the community affected him a little bit.

 

[epidemia78]

Probably more than he would care to admit in public. It would be like admitting defeat to a bunch of self entitled whiners. Personally, I think the changes to AE2 are really interesting and I like how the cables and other thingies look. Although I must admit I havent set up an AE2 system outside of creative so Im not sure how tedious it is in practice.

 

[midi_sec]

"increasingly aggravated; partially due to the increased negativity surrounding the mod"

Look at it from his perspective; People complained that AE1 was far too pervasive. You could have a functioning AE on Day 1. DAY 1. he responded by making the changes he did in AE2, and people had an absolute fit about it. I totally get where he's coming from. It's like, what do you people want? I would have quit long before he did.