What do you consider cheating?

[Lambert2191]

Not playing with GregTech means that nearly anything and everything you do is radically easier than with.

Some would equate that with cheating, and they would have merit in that regard. Some people consider using Soul Shards cheating. Some people consider spawning Mystcraft creative notebooks in cheating. Some people consider Mystcraft in general cheating.

It's based on opinions and perspective. It's not necessarily right or wrong. It just is.

you mistake "easier" with "less tedius"
seriously, gathering resources is NOT hard. The ONLY thing in modded minecraft that can be called "hard" or "easy" are things like killing mobs. That's it. Killing a zombie is easier than killing a skeleton. It's easier if you have amazing armour. Etc. That's it. What Gregtech does is link mods together, add a bunch of new stuff, and make you mine more. It is not HARDER it just takes LONGER.

 

[Mash]

you mistake "easier" with "less tedius"
seriously, gathering resources is NOT hard. The ONLY thing in modded minecraft that can be called "hard" or "easy" are things like killing mobs. That's it. Killing a zombie is easier than killing a skeleton. It's easier if you have amazing armour. Etc. That's it. What Gregtech does is link mods together, add a bunch of new stuff, and make you mine more. It is not HARDER it just takes LONGER.

You can make that argument for literally any aspect of Minecraft.

With the exception of MAYBE boss fights. And even then, Quantum Armor makes it less about skill, and more about.. ta da... time spent on a certain mod. In FTB, difficulty is measured through time spent. There is no other way to measure it.

So, in that respect, nothing can be considered cheating from that viewpoint, because nothing requires skill to obtain.

 

[Buffalo_Wings_Master]

Oh, so I can find a place in the overworld that is extreme hills, flat, and always sunny? And when I've torn gigantic holes in it instead of cleaning up after myself I can just destroy it?

dont remember saying that... all i said that the world is infinite as it is
btw there is an extreme hills biome
but i get your point that mystcraft lets you makes completely customized worlds and the always sunny function is very cool

 

[Lambert2191]

Except I'm not trying to say something like x mod is harder than y mod. Yes, you can say that for every aspect of minecraft, but I'm not the one saying that any mod or the lack of any mod is cheating.

 

[RetroGamer1224]

I think it should be impossible to break any block by hand. Need to use a tool. From leaves to tools. If you try your fist it should not break at all or even try to. In addition have half hunger bar at beginning of game that has triple loss speed untill you first eat something more then bread. No golden apples or melons. Any fall above three blocks slows you for thirty seconds. Double loss of breath underwater. Make the farmable food grow equivalent to real world times.

Anything else is "cheating".

 

[Mash]

But you are someone that's saying that something isn't cheating.

In that sense, you have to defend why, which you did. I then demonstrated that the only way to measure difficulty in this game is through time spent, since the various mods essentially turn skill... off. GregTech requires more time than most other mods, if not all of them, simply through ridiculous material requirements.

If you don't agree, that's okay. He wasn't telling you to believe anything, he was simply asking your opinion.

 

[Zerodaimaru]

Ugh, can there be one thread on this form that doesn't devolve into a discussion and/or argument about greg tech? Please? Just once?

On the original topic I consider basically everything mentioned in the OP (except for the greg tech thing. Saying that playing without greg tech is cheating is like saying someone is wrong for disliking chocolate ice cream). And I try very hard to avoid anything I feel is cheating in MC. I even feel a bit guilty about using soul shards now that I've gotten a system down for the their creation and probably wont be using them in my next world. The few times I have cheated the world was deleted within a few days because everything I did from that point forward felt tainted by that. Of course that's cheating for me, Joe blow in his single player game can do what ever he feels is or isn't cheating and I will neither know nor care.

On our server we have mob griefing and losing items on death turned off atm as we try to fix some major lag issues we've been having (to the point you could get blown up and die from a creeper you never saw walking right up in front of you in plain sight if one of the frequent lag spikes hit at the wrong time). I expect Im gonna have an uphill battle to get those cheats turned off once it is fixed however. People get used to cheating the more they do it and it eventually feels right. In single player this is fine, multiplayer it becomes a bit more murky as you need to balance between the fun of everyone on the server.

 

[Lambert2191]

Asking people what they consider cheating: Decent enough idea for a thread.
Making suggestions in the OP: Stupid idea.

 

[Sprung]

I consider cheating altering any aspect of a mod pack's config and any action that requires you to be an op. The only cheating thing my friends and I do when starting a new server is to take a vote on whether or not we like the random seed we were given after looking at the lay of the land for a minute or two. If we all hate the seed we will delete it and try again.

 

[Lambert2191]

But you are someone that's saying that something isn't cheating.

In that sense, you have to defend why, which you did. I then demonstrated that the only way to measure difficulty in this game is through time spent, since the various mods essentially turn skill... off. GregTech requires more time than most other mods, if not all of them, simply through ridiculous material requirements.

If you don't agree, that's okay. He wasn't telling you to believe anything, he was simply asking your opinion.

What? No, you didn't. There is NO way to measure difficulty in minecraft. None. Attributing difficulty to time spent is plain wrong.

Edit: other than the afformentioned mob fighting.

 

[elfin8er]

I think it should be impossible to break any block by hand. Need to use a tool. From leaves to tools. If you try your fist it should not break at all or even try to. In addition have half hunger bar at beginning of game that has triple loss speed untill you first eat something more then bread. No golden apples or melons. Any fall above three blocks slows you for thirty seconds. Double loss of breath underwater. Make the farmable food grow equivalent to real world times.

Anything else is "cheating".

I think you just created a new game, or at least a new gamemode.[DOUBLEPOST=1365538699][/DOUBLEPOST]

I consider cheating altering any aspect of a mod pack's config and any action that requires you to be an op. The only cheating thing my friends and I do when starting a new server is to take a vote on whether or not we like the random seed we were given after looking at the lay of the land for a minute or two. If we all hate the seed we will delete it and try again.

Well what about enabling different aspects of the game that are disabled by default. For an example, would enabling the HTTP API for computercraft be cheaty (This goes more for tekkit, or vanilla computercraft since it's enabled in FTB by default).

 

[Mash]

What? No, you didn't. There is NO way to measure difficulty in minecraft. None. Attributing difficulty to time spent is plain wrong.

Edit: other than the afformentioned mob fighting.

Actually, you can.

Difficulty is defined as: A thing that is hard to accomplish, deal with, or understand.
Hard is defined as: (Adverb) With a great deal of effort.

So, anything that requires effort can be equated with difficulty in the most technical sense of the word. GregTech is many things, but it is not effortless.

 

[Lambert2191]

Not playing with GregTech means that nearly anything and everything you do is radically easier than with.

Some would equate that with cheating, and they would have merit in that regard.

With this logic, choosing anything other than Hardcore is cheating.
With this logic, lets say you decide to start playing Bioshock or whatever, using any difficulty setting other than the hardest one is "cheating"
That logic is not only flawed, it's bloody idiotic.

 

[RetroGamer1224]

Yeah it is called extreme adventure map. lol.

On topic. I never spawned in items after I died. Heck I may have spawned in items for some reason but has been so little I don't really recall. I even told my friend not to spawn in my lost goggles. Again I am old and mean and full of hate so take what I say for a grain of salt.

 

[Mash]

With this logic, choosing anything other than Hardcore is cheating.
With this logic, lets say you decide to start playing Bioshock or whatever, using any difficulty setting other than the hardest one is "cheating"
That logic is not only flawed, it's bloody idiotic.

It's based on perspective.

By your logic, someone playing Bioshock with invulnerability isn't cheating. Or hell, infinite ammo.

 

[mightyjake]

In my opinion, disabling GregTech is not cheating, but more admitting defeat.

 

[Lambert2191]

It's based on perspective.

By your logic, someone playing Bioshock with invulnerability isn't cheating. Or hell, infinite ammo.

what the fuck are you on about? No... it really isn't. If someone does that then yes I would call that cheating. Play the game as it's intended to be played. If you wanna play Gregtech fine, go for it. If you don't, fine, go for it. Neither way is cheating and if anyone calls either cheating then they're morons.

 

[Mash]

We could talk each other in circles debating what we consider to be cheating, when really we don't even know what we're labeling this stuff.

How are we defining cheating, here? I mean, the dictionary will define it as acting dishonestly to gain an advantage. On single player for ANY game, that's not possible. When you're not acting competitively, that's just not going to happen.

 

[RetroGamer1224]

Actually Mash out purple suave creeper has a point. Difficult is based on challenge. You want "hard" go play the NES game Silver Surfer or try the swimming level in the first TMNT game. Heck even Ninja Gaiden was NintenHard for a while because of how things were. That was artifically bumping up difficulty just so a player plays the game enough over a weekend.

In Minecraft difficult is how you set about things yourself. It is that opened.

 

[elfin8er]

The reason I'd call disabling different mods as being cheating is because they're part of FTB. Is the game still considered to be FTB without it?