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Dravarden

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You obviously do not understand the concept of "balance" in regards to a game-changing modification, and evidently do not know what the term "nerf" means in regards to a changed balance. You are far too obsessed with this, it seems. While this is an understandable falling on your part, please stop forcefully spreading your ignorance. It is disgustingly rude, after the majority of us have painstakingly taken our time to try and explain it to you. Yes, we get that you don't like GregTech. Good luck with that, and I wish you the very best. Thanks!


Balance? According to greg, is making an item that you are supposed to get the first day, to an endgame item.
 

Guswut

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Balance? According to greg, is making an item that you are supposed to get the first day, to an endgame item.

Ok, I'll play: What "item" are you talking about? Solar panels? Other sources of free energy? UU matter? The GraviChestPlate? A goat's eyeball?
 

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Ok, I'll play: What "item" are you talking about? Solar panels? Other sources of free energy? UU matter? The GraviChestPlate? A goat's eyeball?

A macerator (?)

And don't come and say "lulz but doubling orez isn't supposed to be first day" well, the pulverizer is "but it haz a hard setting" it ain't enable it doesn't count.
 

Guswut

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A macerator (?)

You consider a macerator, which, in GregTech, requires three diamonds, as endgame?

Have you ever even TRIED to play a GregTech world, or does your hatred all boil down to you looked at it once, noticed the macerator wouldn't be something you could build within five minutes of playing, so you decided that GregTech was the source of all evil?

And don't come and say "lulz but doubling orez isn't supposed to be first day" well, the pulverizer is "but it haz a hard setting" it ain't enable it doesn't count.

Thermal Expansion is not designed to work at the same difficulty level as GregTech in the Ultimate and MindCrack mod pack. This is a known issue, and one that you're free to abuse if you'd like, or free to fix if you'd like as well. Of course, with Applied Energetics, we now have the Quartz Grindstone, so it is even less of an issue.

Now then, are you finished trying to claim that three diamond are endgame? Because that's not even endgame in vanilla, so you're obviously grasping at straws.
 

Dravarden

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You consider a macerator, which, in GregTech, requires three diamonds, as endgame?

Have you ever even TRIED to play a GregTech world, or does your hatred all boil down to you looked at it once, noticed the macerator wouldn't be something you could build within five minutes of playing, so you decided that GregTech was the source of all evil?



Thermal Expansion is not designed to work at the same difficulty level as GregTech in the Ultimate and MindCrack mod pack. This is a known issue, and one that you're free to abuse if you'd like, or free to fix if you'd like as well. Of course, with Applied Energetics, we now have the Quartz Grindstone, so it is even less of an issue.

Now then, are you finished trying to claim that three diamond are endgame? Because that's not even endgame in vanilla, so you're obviously grasping at straws.

Well, not really end game, but why use diamond to double your ores, when you can research for 10 minutes and get a pickaxe of the core, or just create a pulverizer, or a slag furnace.

And yes, I did play with gregtech. First time I blow a hole of 100x100 to bedrock with only tnt of a ragequit.
 

Guswut

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Well, not really end game,

Balance? According to greg, is making an item that you are supposed to get the first day, to an endgame item.

Please correct your earlier post, or your latter post, as one of these is in error.
but why use diamond to double your ores, when you can research for 10 minutes and get a pickaxe of the core,

Does this only take ten minutes from the start of the world? I'd love to see you provide evidence of that. Considering your track record, I've got a feeling you are overestimating at least by a magnitude of time.

That aside, the pickaxe of the core appears to give you a 33% of doubling your ores. That is no where near the 100% chance of doubling your ores you find with macerators.

or just create a pulverizer,

As already stated, the pulverizer is not designed to work within the difficulty set by GregTech in the modpacks that use GregTech. It's a failing on the part of those that have put together the modpacks to not make sure the difficulty was scaled properly.

But feel free to go ahead and use it. We aren't going to judge you.

or a slag furnace.

Doesn't the slag furnace only have a 20% chance of duplicating your ore? You're suggesting things that are either not within the balance of GregTech (which is a failing on the part of those that have put together a modpack with GregTech and not balanced it for that, or balanced GregTech for the modpack), or they're no where near as good.

And that aside, three diamond is not very expensive at all. I find that I often have excess diamond as I stick with iron (then steel) armor for a while, and make EU-powered tools (before that, gem tools). I'm not really sure how you could have ever even tried to think that three diamonds was even anything close to "endgame", and I'd love for you to answer that.

And yes, I did play with gregtech. First time I blow a hole of 100x100 to bedrock with only tnt of a ragequit.

I have no idea what you were trying to say, but it sounds like a personal problem. Perhaps GregTech isn't for you, eh?
 

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Does this only take ten minutes from the start of the world? I'd love to see you provide evidence of that. Considering your track record, I've got a feeling you are overestimating at least by a magnitude of time.

Yes, I can research the whole tree in like 30 minutes (after I get a lot of resources, not from the start) since I have done it 4 times (I freaking love thaumcraft)

Oh, and is 100% if after mining you place the ores back down = 66% do it again, 99%, do the last ores = 100%.

And, waaaay before I knew about what gregtech did, is when I ragequited.
 

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Yes, I can research the whole tree in like 30 minutes (after I get a lot of resources, not from the start) since I have done it 4 times (I freaking love thaumcraft)

So we're up from ten minutes to half an hour. At this point, your data is suspect. Are you also suggesting that you cannot find three diamonds in half an hour, though? Because given how many times all of us have gotten diamonds, it should be pretty much second nature how dig down and mine them up. Even in worlds where diamonds are fairly rare for me at the start, I usually end up with at least three within half an hour of playing assuming I'm rushing for diamonds and am not interested in something else (which often happens, especially now with the quartz grindstone).

Oh, and is 100% if after mining you place the ores back down = 66% do it again, 99%, do the last ores = 100%.

That sounds like an exploit to me, and one that, hopefully, they will fix, or at least add the config option to fix it to properly conform to the rest of the difficulty curve.

That aside, though, you do not appear to understand how probability works. You're going to end up wasting a whole lot of durability trying to get duplicate ore as you've only got a 1/3 chance that your ore block will end up duplicating. That means you could end up having blocks that refuse to trigger that chance just because the random number generator says as much (no weighting I've ever seen, so it's not going to give pity to more tries as such).

Good luck with that way, though, because you're going to need it.

And, waaaay before I knew about what gregtech did, is when I ragequited.

I still have no idea why you're planning GregTech for something related to TnT blowing up a large area. Can you elaborate on it, or is it too painful of a memory?
 

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why use diamond to double your ores, when you can research for 10 minutes and get a pickaxe of the core

It's usually easy to discard hyperbole so ridiculous it defeats itself, but JFC. Even the pulverizer .. I've had worlds where I found 3 diamonds before 2 gold. Shit like that really happens. The advanced circuit is what moves it up the tree, and people to this day nerdrage about 3 diamonds .. which makes it sound like they are yelling just to be heard, or are simple. Both of which are annoying.

Upthread you just said "everythig in gregnerf is nerfs, but if it has one little thing positive..." if you would like, we can all go line by line in the config and add up the 'nerfs' and compare them to the 'buffs' (rubies, electrum, etc) and additional outputs from centrifuging, electrolysis, grinding, and silk touching in general (diamond dust from nikolite, etc) ... but fuck it. It's a Galilean feat proven to not be worth the time. Hint: the Earth is not where you think it is.

Reasonable folks will suggest that they prefer the original recipes, like/dislike GT's vision or pacing, enjoy hardmode, or somewhere in between. Drama queens will cry about compressing blocks in a block on one side and the peenqueens will claim nubs should stick to creative mode on the other. Some with saintly patience like Gus will even try to help you understand that you are speaking gibberish, regardless of which extreme you subscribe to. What can't go uncontested over half a year into using the mod is the same played out arguments from beta A. I'm sorry, but you are just going to get called out at this point. If it makes you feel any better, I have feathered hair and a black '84 Trans Am complete with a Night Ranger cassette in the glovebox. Not really. You should just feel bad.

Crayola: "everythig in gregnerf is nerfs". No, clearly not.
 

BanzaiBlitz

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Y'all forget about not feeding trolls? :eek:

Please end the nerdrage cycle at least. o_O

And while GT is expensive enough, there is a config option within TE shifting the crafting of machines to use steel as opposed to iron. TE needs to be enabled as such for GT to adjust this option for you though but it is there and I use it. Barring any loot luck, diamonds are a lot easier than steel. :confused:
 

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Well, not really end game, but why use diamond to double your ores,

Welp here we go. Why indeed?

when you can research for 10 minutes and get a pickaxe of the core

An exceptionally expensive item and unless you have an auto-book-enchant system or EnchantingPlus installed, very hard to make it last a long time. But yes, Pickaxes of the Core are amazing. It's a shame about the increasing costs of repair.

Addenda: And you do know the max yield with thaumcraft on nuggets is around 225%, right? So you will never reach the levels you can with Factorization or Gregtech. Indeed, native ore clusters preclude the use of any ore tripling process.

or just create a pulverizer

In current GT, macerators have a use again in automated processing lines. Their chief utility is in compactness; automated machines have big energy buffers and can feed power down their output face. This is actually a pretty amazing feature, and makes the competitive in many ways with the Pulverizer. But they are expensive to craft, and the iGrinder is prooobably where you want ores to go. It is true this machine could use a refresh.

or a slag furnace.

The slag furnace output is not 200%. It also eats a huge sum of coal and is only really sustainable once you have a big mirror array set up with furnace heaters. It is pretty cool when you get a few surrounded by 3-5 furnace heaters in a grid tho.

And yes, I did play with gregtech. First time I blow a hole of 100x100 to bedrock with only tnt of a ragequit.

I dunno why. GT actually makes this way way way way way cheaper. Every time you clear a tech tier your output and resources required drop. By the end of tier 2, you're producing at like 250-350% yield on ores and using 50% the resources. Gregtech also provides multiple ways to make infinite resources using the same infrastructure most people build anyways. It makes power generation easier, nuclear reactors easier, energy storage much easier (over time), remove processing centers easier to build. It also adds some pretty good automation tools. And if you have forestry and bees around, GT lets you make explosive sums of power with a bit of work there.

GT just really seems to be pushing you to automate and industrialize everything you can. If you don't like doing that, then you're gonna have a bad time. But Direwolf20's pack does the same thing with Forestry, so I suspect you're in for a trail of tears.
 
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Dravarden

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So we're up from ten minutes to half an hour.
I still have no idea why you're planning GregTech for something related to TnT blowing up a large area. Can you elaborate on it, or is it too painful of a memory?

ten minutes the pick, half an hour the whole tree, as I said.

oh, and is just that I when I made an cablosion impresor or whatever is called, it blew up for no aparent reason, so I just ragequited.
 

Guswut

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ten minutes the pick, half an hour the whole tree, as I said.

oh, and is just that I when I made an cablosion impresor or whatever is called, it blew up for no aparent reason, so I just ragequited.

I'm starting to get a clearer picture as to the problem, and it really isn't something I can fix it seems. Good luck with your path, although as KirinDave stated, it's a trail of tears in the making for sure.
 

Dravarden

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I'm starting to get a clearer picture as to the problem, and it really isn't something I can fix it seems. Good luck with your path, although as KirinDave stated, it's a trail of tears in the making for sure.

don't worry, I'm playing ultimate at the moment, and gregnerf is deep in my recicle bin! what tears are you talking about?