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Pyure

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Guys what's the trick to getting a level three (magician's) blood orb? It requires 25K LP. The altar can hold 10k. I wasn't able to sacrifice myself fast enough to get my orb.
 

Lethosos

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More runes of capacity in the altar will help.

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Pyure

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bleh. 45 minutes just to get the apprentice orb. I'm such a noob.

In my defense, NEI kinda omits the fact that you need 3k witchery "altar" power to make golden chalk. And then the first wiki I found said you only need 2.8k.
 

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Has anyone else had performance issues in their base? I have a forestry tree farm, most ic2, thermal expansion, ender io machines, and a culinary generator and toast setup. What farm by MFR. I'll upload the world when I get home
 

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bleh. 45 minutes just to get the apprentice orb. I'm such a noob.

In my defense, NEI kinda omits the fact that you need 3k witchery "altar" power to make golden chalk. And then the first wiki I found said you only need 2.8k.

Ok, now I see you did not advanved as fast as I thoguht the other day :) my bad.
And I feel you :D Had the same problem with the golden chalk.
I got my Tier 4altar already. Go look the Bloodstone blocks up :) I guess you will need some more runes of capacity.

I have created the basic thermal expansion machines, have my water wheels, and am scouring the nether to try and make my first hammer completely out of cobalt. I am not sure exactly what the logical next step in this pack is. I am trying to make a mining laser right now, and I would like to upgrade my jetpack but that seems to be gated behind processing IC2 uranium, which I really have no clue how to do. What should I do next?

As a side not I will probably just neglect storage all the way until the end game when I get AE..... and I probably won't build a proper base until after that.:(

Neglect storage and base building until late game? That is nonesense in my point of view. Expert mode is designed so you use other storage solutions as AE and you will only make your life harder.
Coming to AE will take you a few hundert hours playing so...

If you go back in this post a bit, there is a post with tips how to progress, also I think the IC2 Nuke is the go to. I did not do it yet on my own but should have done so long time ago.
Alternativly to that you can start a bit with magic since you will have to do it at some point anyway. I like to mix tech and magic up a bit so I dont get bored of eather one.
 

Pyure

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Ok, now I see you did not advanved as fast as I thoguht the other day :) my bad.
And I feel you :D Had the same problem with the golden chalk.
Yep. Another thing NEI and wiki didn't think to tell me is that sometimes altar work can cause a mysterious giant explosion making you start over. Bleh.

So between moving my entire cauldron setup near my altar setup (altar was outside in the woods) and then planting a billion flowers around it to increase its power...yeah it took a while :)
 
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Another question. I'm going through wikis on forbidden magic now, since Dentvar brought it up. I'm wondering: Can a "Collar of Pain", which generates vis when you take damage, be combined with blood magic (which lets you damage yourself) to generate vis easily?

Blood Magic technically doesn't damage you so much as it just arbitrarily makes you have less HP, so the collar probably won't be much help for that.
 

Pyure

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Blood Magic technically doesn't damage you so much as it just arbitrarily makes you have less HP, so the collar probably won't be much help for that.
Yep I could see how that could be the case, although I'll say that it depends on the implementation. And the fact that the damage can raise a death event preserves the possibility that its doing legit damage.
 

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Can someone tell me what the "Enchantment" pages in NEI are all about? Its always everyday items giving enchantments like "Soulbound" etc.
That page just shows what (if any) enchantments you can put on the item you are looking up. Since you can soul bound any object you can hold/loose upon death, that's why it is always there.

Look up a sword and see the list on it to give you a better idea


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Pyure

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That page just shows what (if any) enchantments you can put on the item you are looking up. Since you can soul bound any object you can hold/loose upon death, that's why it is always there.

Look up a sword and see the list on it to give you a better idea


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Ah got it. Its a bit misleading to me because its a U recipe rather than an R recipe, which suggests (to me) that, say, 18 Ordo Stone can somehow provide soulbound to something :p
 

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And the fact that the damage can raise a death event preserves the possibility that its doing legit damage.

No, it really doesn't. I've looked AT the source. It doesn't damage you. The death event bypasses most normal death prevention methods. Ever overdo the sacrificial knife while carrying death protection poppets and life charms? It doesn't care. You just die.
 

Inaeo

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Yeah I saw that one. I thought the conversion rate was a bit alarming for me: I'm at a point where I know how to add 1k (?) LP at a time by right-clicking.

I know lots of people are setting up something called a well of suffering or some such that can generate LP automatically, but I'm not at that point.

When you get your Well of Suffering up, cage a few witches (name them so they don't despawn) in the effected area. They will drink a Potion of Healing every time they take damage from the Well, so they are effectively immoral. You can see how this has wonderful benefits for you.
 
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Pyure

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No, it really doesn't. I've looked AT the source. It doesn't damage you. The death event bypasses most normal death prevention methods. Ever overdo the sacrificial knife while carrying death protection poppets and life charms? It doesn't care. You just die.
Yep makes sense.

I've written damage code in other games before, and most things that could damage you actually called the damage function because it took care of all the peripheral stuff you dont want to remember. It was worth hoping we'd done the same thing here.
 

Pyure

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When you get your Well of Suffering up, cage a few witches (name them so they don't despawn) in the effected area. They will drink a Potion of Healing every time they take damage from the Well, so they are effectively immoral. You can see how this has wonderful benefits for you.
1) What tier altar do I need to make well of suffering in this pack?
2) Which cage are you talking about?
3) Um, under what circumstances do I care about blood vs networked LP?
 

RealKC

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1) What tier altar do I need to make well of suffering in this pack?
2) Which cage are you talking about?
3) Um, under what circumstances do I care about blood vs networked LP?
1) idk
2)put them in a small room
3) blood id what you have stored in your altar and used for crafting in the altar and filling your network, networked LP is used for rituals, sigils, spells, alchemy and for fueling(is this the right term?) the bound armor.
 
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Inaeo

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I usually build a small prison area with iron bars and whatnot. If you don't separate them, one will inevitably see you at some point and throw a Splash Potion. This will hit one or more of the other witches, who will, in turn, throw Splash Potions back. This will lead to what I lovingly refer to as a Witch Mosh (they will all dance around mad at each other drinking Potions of Healing, with the occasional Splash Potion hitting everyone, causing them all to hop at the same time). This is amusing to watch, but it makes any maintenance a PITA.
 

rouge_bare

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1) What tier altar do I need to make well of suffering in this pack?
It still needs a tier 4 alter. The only tier swapping expert mode does to my knowledge is Sacrifice runes being t3, and Capacity being t2.