I have an automatic scrap farm set up, and I was just wondering if it would be better to feed the scrap directly into the matter fabricator or to use an auto crafting bench and feed scrap boxes to it?
Scrap Vs Scrap Box for Matter Fabricator?
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Im using a matter fabricator not the mass fabricator, but I do believe you can use scrap boxes in the mass fabricator.
The Mass fabricator is the vanilla IC2 one and only uses scrap.
Gregtech's Matter fabricator can use all kinds of amplifiers including scrap boxes, enderpearl dust, gem dusts, etc.
If you have an automated system to keep the scrap flowing, then you don't need to worry about compacting it into boxes. Either works fine, but scrap boxes last longer.
As long as GregTech is installed, the Mass Fabricator can also use the extra amplifier materials. Both work on Scrap or Scrapboxes.
Scrapboxes provide nine times the amplifier of a piece of Scrap, so they are functionally the same. It would be simpler to use just scrap, but if storage is more of a concern than simplicity, then Scrapboxes would be better.
And just in case anyone is wondering (like I was), this reasoning means there is zero reason to have more than one matterfab, no matter what amplifier you use. Given the same amount of energy, two matterfabs will produce an equal amount of uum as one and chew up just as much amplifying material in the process.
Actually in later versions of GregTech I believe Greg stated he's going to change the matterfab maximum limit from 8192 EU/p to 8192EU/t making it so that more than one matterfab is necessary for serious UU production, assuming he hasn't already.
From what I've read in the changelogs, the 8192eu/tick has already been implemented. It looks like he implemented this to stop people from getting lots of uu matter from a single lightning strike as a single strike contains enough energy to fill multiple MFSUs. Lightning rods along with a stormy mystcraft age or certain bees could be used to get constant lightning strikes and generate way more uu mater in a short time than Greg intended.
I make my scrapboxes in a Xycraft fabricator. And then I open them manually and put the wooden tools in a generator to charge my jetpack. Yeah I'm not quite up to the matter fabricator stage. But when I am, I plan to use nikolite as an amplifier
whats the difference? it means that if you have something generate 8192 eu/t (like a crapload of solar panels) if you place another 512 eu/t it will loose energy or what?
Matter Fabricator cannot use scrap fast enough for your scrap production to ever be a problem (unless you have a ridiculous amount of energy being fed into the matter fab which wont be possible much longer because input is capped to 8k eu on latest version). If you're used to a mass fab and how quick they eat scrap you have to factor in that each uu created with the matter fab requires 16.7 million eu, as opposed to the 166k eu of a mass fab.
I am using a just in time approach to scrap production, my matter fab is currently receiving 6144eu/t being fed by 4 igneous extruders producing cobble that gets fed into 1 (6x OC'd) recycler. I have capacity to add more igneous extrduders if needed as the recycler isn't running at capacity (and could take 4 more overclockers too).
Creating scrap boxes is an unnecessary link in the chain.
With multiple matter fabs each receiving 8k eu/t you may want to expand the igneous/recycler feed, boxes maybe useful here.
I am using a just in time approach to scrap production, my matter fab is currently receiving 6144eu/t being fed by 4 igneous extruders producing cobble that gets fed into 1 (6x OC'd) recycler. I have capacity to add more igneous extrduders if needed as the recycler isn't running at capacity (and could take 4 more overclockers too).
Creating scrap boxes is an unnecessary link in the chain.
With multiple matter fabs each receiving 8k eu/t you may want to expand the igneous/recycler feed, boxes maybe useful here.
The advantage of scrap boxes is storage, if you start your scrap production before building the mass/matter fab they are quite nice to handle, and once you begin creating UU, they are also easy to move around in pipe/tubes since you'll have 9 times less items to move.
they can also be used if you dont run your matter/mass fab full time, like if it's solar powered an only run in the day, then you can use the night to build up on scrap boxes and have 9 times the amplifier ready inside the mass/matter fab ready for the first rays of dawn
they can also be used if you dont run your matter/mass fab full time, like if it's solar powered an only run in the day, then you can use the night to build up on scrap boxes and have 9 times the amplifier ready inside the mass/matter fab ready for the first rays of dawn
That was once my view, because before FTB I'd been used to tekkit and non gregtech uu fabrication requires 100x more scrap than with gregtech. With gregtech you don't need scrap storage, it's easier and makes more sense to create scrap on demand.
That said, if for some reason anyone wanted to store massive amounts of scrap for no reason, scrap boxes are the way to go, my setup on my pre-ultimate server (which recycled all my unwanted quarry resources) has left me with 3 interdimensional barrels full of scrap boxes.
I've found that by the time I'm ready to produce serious amounts of scrap I'm also ready to start burning it in a mass fab. Early on I'd recycle cobble/dirt/gravel/flint/etc. from quarries, now I just have 80+ igneous extruder/recycler pairs that are emptied by router directly into the mass fab. I'm turning out an HV solar every 1-2 hours from the UU-matter. Seems to be going quicker as I add HV solars, lol.
But sure, if you do have more scrap than you can put in an upgraded barrel run it through a packager---or even better a xycraft fabricator(which is much, much faster than the packager)---to save space.
But sure, if you do have more scrap than you can put in an upgraded barrel run it through a packager---or even better a xycraft fabricator(which is much, much faster than the packager)---to save space.