When I start a new world I use TE Machines, I like the speed of them. Late game, when I have EU to spare/waste, I will use the macerator; 8 overclockers energy storage upgrades and transformer upgrades really make macerators (and elec furns/compressors/extractors) pretty awesome.
Pulverizer is better than Macerator In GregTec
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While MPS is really awesome, I'm not sure how it will favor one mod over any other mod. Muse and I both walk in the same circles - MPS already has some TE integration and it's only gonna get better.
That's awesome. I cannot wait.
One of the big missing parts of the MJ power ecosystem is the lack of alternative equipment options. After playing with the tinker table for a few hours last night I was blown away by how well that mod is designed; you can have flight better than anything but the gravity suit or protection to rival everything but the quantum helmet, but you must make choices about what you want to do with your powersuit. You cannot have it all.
You'd need at least a stirling engine and a pulverizer powered by a stirling engine will be intolerably and agonizingly slow.
And what I was driving at is that setup can still blow up if you leave it on. If you're going to argue that 100% safe MJ power management is not middle tier than your information is out of date or your metrics are skewed. Because that's where it sits on the TE tech tree. And the agonizing slowness of that setup cannot be overstated. A macerator+generator (and maybe a batbox?) is more efficient, less prone to human error, and cheaper. And it scales.
Rubber tree spawning is not as insanely rare as it used to be.
Then we have different definitions of necessary. Many of my friends blew up my lab until I could make a whole rig involving a redpower timer, state cell, item detector and relay to control the engines appropriately. It happened over a dozen times. And that was with 2 hobbyist steam engines and a non-branching conductive gold pipe network 8 long with 3 machines.
All this aside, I'd still choose the TE machines over the Macerator in a contest. Their logistical functions and chance for serendipitous outputs are far more valuable to most middle-tier builds than the macerator ever could be. I just think that the macerator is not as bad as people make it out to be.
No, its not 'way way' easier. What game are you playing? Are you talking about the very first day or something? Tiny fraction? Cool math bro? There is NO issue with BC power management that early on. That comes much later when youre suppliying so much power to those pipes they continue to expload. Or youre so ignorant to how engines and power supply works that you dont know how to power a pulv properly. Something that takes literally a few min of reading. I think the issue here is you didnt really know what you were doing when it came to a pulv, so instead of blaming your own ineptitude, it must be the pulvs fault. Please. Learn to play first, then you wont sound like a noob when youre making your very flawed argument.
Macerator is great for a lot of things. Ore isnt one of them, and ore is one of the huge things esp early on.
Hmm, will the suit be able to recharge off of an energy cell?While MPS is really awesome, I'm not sure how it will favor one mod over any other mod. Muse and I both walk in the same circles - MPS already has some TE integration and it's only gonna get better.
Just two hobbyist steam engines can blow up gold conductive pipe easily. Especially if your pipe layout involves branches and not a star configuration for power (i.e., the way everyone does it because it looks cool). If you do not know this, you should go into creative mode and experiment.
I was ignorant some time ago. I asked for help here. After an appeal for help and the documentation, I have subsequently learned a lot about the power source and how to manage it. But power pipes are lossy, a bit buggy, and can explode.
You "power a pulv properly" by using conduits, bro. Or by directly wiring the engines, but this is not really a good design if you're using other components, and one of the big draws of the TE machines is the implicit piping. Bro.
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The Macerator is just outright inferior in the DW20 pack for everything but the blaze rod exploit and very, very, very high volume ore processing chains or when you have absurd amounts of EU but for some reason aren't using electrical engines. The only thing it has going for it is a tiny edge in startup materials and a dramatically more forgiving (and efficient-over-time) power source. Even then, the serendipity of of the Pulverizer's bonus output is absurdly compelling.
P.S., We should unzip and compare ore processing chains. Like bros.
Not relevant. The first engine allows the pulverizer to operate and you then use the mutiplier effect for the 2nd engine. At 4 sterling, the pulverizer is at full speed for the cost of 3 iron and redstone.
A sterling engine facing directly at a face of a machine will not explode. Ever. Your claimed fact is in error.
In fact, no engine will explode from power overload (which is different from lack of cooling) unless another engine is transferring power to it. Conduit explodes, not engines, and conduit is not needed for "early game", your stated scenario.
Hmm, will the suit be able to recharge off of an energy cell?
I think it'd be cool to see TE-component recipes and some sort of "charging station."
I'll probably switch when I upgrade to 1.4.7. Right now Im still getting sweet sweet iridium from the slag @ 20%[DOUBLEPOST=1361298161][/DOUBLEPOST]
Whats the point of the speed when you have a ton of stuff later game anyway? I do not get this line of logic. Speed is irrelevant at that point, and I outlined that through rough math a couple pages back. One pulv can sustain 1.3 quarrys going full speed.
Macerator is better simply for the overclockers. If the Pulverizer had that option or maybe a way you could up it's power consumption to get speed then it would indeed be better than the macerator.
KirinDave, you really need to learn how to power machines if you have them blowing up all the time. That is a user error, not a pro/con of the machine, "bro".[DOUBLEPOST=1361298361][/DOUBLEPOST]
Or are you actually standing infront of these machines waiting for ore staring at it?
And what does speed matter if youre getting less from it
Or are you actually standing infront of these machines waiting for ore staring at it?There goes your "small edge in resource" argument...
Incorrect, although I grant it's a heck of an edge case. If your pulverizer is on a chunk boundary from your engine and the engine is on and the pulverizer chunk becomes unloaded, the stirling engine can explode.
Your generator costs skyrocket if you don't use conductive pipes.[DOUBLEPOST=1361298555][/DOUBLEPOST]
Who said anything about machines blowing up, you're-not-my-buddy-guy?
KirinDave, you really need to learn how to power machines if you have them blowing up all the time. That is a user error, not a pro/con of the machine, "bro".[DOUBLEPOST=1361298361][/DOUBLEPOST]
And what does speed matter if youre getting less from it
No I've got a 50 MJ/tick quarry pumping in ore from a 50 dense ores mist age, so it needs to be FAST or it will jam up. =D
We were discussing you having your pipes blowing up constantly, as apparently you fail to manage them (or did you not understand that?). Even though DoctorOr has already taught you how to do it properly you continue to be a stubborn baby about it. You have no valid argument. Every argument youve presented is due to lack of knowledge. Not anyone fault but your own, sonbroguy.[DOUBLEPOST=1361299001][/DOUBLEPOST]
You have a SINGLE quarry pumping in from mistage. So what, you need a grant total of 2 pulvs then. Watch out! Those two pulvs would break the bank im sure.
Who are you trying to kid? The macerator uses so much iron that 3 more for the pulverizer doesn't even make a dent. As for redstone, it comes in more than single ore veins. You'll have enough for all the engines, if you have any at all.
They do not, for a single machine.
Your arguments for equality in what is clearly an unbalanced equation are beyond stretching at this point. They're in the realm of fantasy. Unicorns farting rainbows.[DOUBLEPOST=1361299221][/DOUBLEPOST]
May as well claim a command block spawning ores. Especially since you'd have to turn off instability.
I'm not sure, uh, what this conversation is about anymore. But I think it's cool you corrected me, I acknowledged your correction politely and refuted it, and instead of returning that courtesy you just ignored it. I can see this conversation is proceeding in symmetrically good faith. I'm not sure why I'm bothering to reply given how often you do that, and how often you feel compelled to insult people who actually share 90% of your viewpoint. There is no need to be upset.
The fact that we're even having this discussion about power management and the method you'd use to make one machine boom proof (when in reality what everyone wants is an ore processing line) is a good example of what I'm talking about: The only conceivable downside you can name for the Pulverizers is that buildcraft power is more tempermental before you can afford to make hardened glass for conduits. It is. You can do it wrong. You can copy famous letsplay-ers like Direwolf and get it wrong because even those paragons of the modpack get it wrong. This is in sharp contrast to EU, which is almost foolproof in the early game (and you only end up with power management issues later) and mostly suffers from efficiency concerns and some slight concerns with their modeling of voltage.
Pulverizers are clearly the better choice as a machine in isolation in the Direwolf20 pack. I just wanted to point out that it's not only possible to get their powering wrong: it's easy. And if your'e actually making an early ore processing line to get better efficiency from your coal (which is almost a given), then you will probably hit some power concerns. By the time you can power multiple quarries, you can by (almost by definition) trivially build and power enough furnaces and pulverizers to easily handle any number of outputs and because of the TE logistics mechanics those pipelines will almost always be smaller than equivalent IC2 setups. IC2 probably could improve its machines to keep parity with "the state of the game." That's okay, it's one of the oldest mods in the pack.
This is not a controversial opinion. You can hear the devs talking about the balance points of MJ and MJ transmission in their livestreams.
The issue with MJ power and conductive pipes is even bigger because this energy storing mechanic is rather new. A lot of youtube videos show setups that nowadays will simply blow up because someone suddenly decided that in a 'normal' setup pipes should explode.
They kind of do that automatically. They throttle their speed depending on how much power is available. If you've got enough power coming in to keep their internal buffer full, they're pretty damn fast.