Microblocks; Good? Bad?

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MagicalMidge

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Opening with "i dont have time to deal with quality" doesn't exactly make people want to keep reading. Why the convoluted post for a simple question? Be concise, and stay thirsty my friends.


The single reason I put that was because there are people like yourself that have a forum law that not everyone knows (And I dont mean the forum rules, I mean your personal rules, people on forums can be bitchy as hell at times!). I included all information that was needed.[DOUBLEPOST=1372583357][/DOUBLEPOST]
Opening with "i dont have time to deal with quality" doesn't exactly make people want to keep reading. Why the convoluted post for a simple question? Be concise, and stay thirsty my friends.


Just a quick "also" because I am fairly pissed off at your comment.

Also may I ask, what was the reason for your comment? Who did it help? What good came of it, aside from you letting out a little bit of your anger what did it actually achieve?

Answer to all of the above IMO: NOTHING! So it wasnt needed nor wanted.
 

MagicalMidge

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TileEntities are basically any block that has more than an eight-bit block ID and four bits of metadata. //That// only costs memory (on both client and server) and hard disk space (mostly on server), which is fairly inexpensive. That data does have to be transferred to the user, which adds some bandwidth, but most microblocks are pretty simple objects. ((They almost always have to implement a save structure for that data, adding some CPU and disk access on save, and implement a transfer system for the client to hear data, adding some CPU and network requirements.))

However, TileEntities can also do things. Furnaces, for example, burn fuel and smelt material. They have to check status of inventory positions, or change time values, or react to inventory changes. Each action requires an bit of server processing power, and even saying 'do nothing' can take a couple nanoseconds. Some actions occur very rarely, like OnBlockPlaced. UpdateEntity, on the other hand, can happen pretty much every tick. These always add to server processing requirements. Because servers and especially modded servers are often very CPU-bound, this is an issue.

This won't affect client lag -- what the server does, the client can't care about until it's told. However, the client has to wait for the server to tell it things. If the server's CPU is stressed by trying to find new prime numbers, or the server is busy loading files, then the client is going to see unpredictable behavior while waiting for the server to respond. Once the data comes in, it also has to be handled by the client, which complicates things.


Thanks, as someone else said above, very simple to understand and very helpful. I had to make a game last year in college and I know all too well how much a few error checks 60 times per second can affect performance!

Also as someone said, I will just use them in moderate amounts, as I am still unsure if the news about RedPower2 is official or not.
 

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What good came of it, aside from you letting out a little bit of your anger what did it actually achieve?
There was no anger in his post. The only anger appears to be from someone who cannot take friendly advice. I do agree with him that the statement was unnecessary but for a different reason. If someone is asking some simple questions I would rather they ask them than force me to read a wall of text. Though the well-placed red text certainly alleviated that a bit.

Also as someone said, I will just use them in moderate amounts, as I am still unsure if the news about RedPower2 is official or not.

Forge received a modification to rendering for MC 1.5.2 resulting in a decent frame rate increase. I would recommend shifting to Immibis's microblocks for that reason alone.
 

Ryiah

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If you wish to tell people how to act, do it where I am not around.
Likewise if you wish people to assist you with your problems, you may want to try not flying off the handle when someone offers advice that could potentially increase the chance others would waste their time with your wall of text.
 

MagicalMidge

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There was no anger in his post. The only anger appears to be from someone who cannot take friendly advice. I do agree with him that the statement was unnecessary but for a different reason. If someone is asking some simple questions I would rather they ask them than force me to read a wall of text. Though the well-placed red text certainly alleviated that a bit.

Firstly, why oh why would I include that "well-placed red text" because I know that some of the information was not needed. So I separated the filler information from the actual question, the filler information give you perspective on why I want to use them/ what my machine is like and so on. Plus, just as a little side note, I did not say at the start "I don't have time for quality" I said I cannot proofread this 100 times over, if you are under the impression that unless a piece of text is proofread 100 times it is not fit for reading then you sir have problems, I know you did not say anything about it, however I thought I would just point-out what everyone seems to miss. (Plus, if you can find me 1 single error in that entire post, I will close my FTB forum account as I am very sure I have none.)

Forge received a modification to rendering for MC 1.5.2 resulting in a decent frame rate increase. I would recommend shifting to Immibis's microblocks for that reason alone.

Thank you. Some actual decent information, I never liked how forums eventually turn into the comment section of a video(All of the hate and useless comments) You have certainly given me some nice information here if I can find an update for all my mods on the server I shall probably upgrade to 1.5.2 because I didn't really use the red power tubes alongside the microblocks; so I shall not be missing out on any features, I don't think.

P.s Don't fall into that category of hate and useless comments. Use forums for what they are for, we all share an interest so why provide people in the same community as yourself with nothing but nonsense? (I am not saying you have, or do. I am just asking you to not fall into the category that do.)

OH WAIT... YOU JUST DID.
 

MagicalMidge

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Likewise if you wish people to assist you with your problems, you may want to try not flying off the handle when someone offers advice that could potentially increase the chance others would waste their time with your wall of text.


I just went on your profile, do you actually know what forum is for? You appear to be getting it all incorrect... Go on YouTube.com create an account and then post the sort of stuff you are posting here, you know why? Because it isn't wanted nor needed on a forum! People go to a forum for information, help or an educated opinion. Not for light minded individuals like yourself.
 

Ryiah

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I never liked how forums eventually turn into the comment section of a video(All of the hate and useless comments)
Which makes it all the more ironic that you are the one introducing "hate" into this thread. Bigglesworth was offering friendly advice and you proceeded to rage at him.


People go to a forum for information, help or an educated opinion. Not for light minded individuals like yourself.
I see you weren't satisfied with simply hating on those trying to offer their educated opinions but are now resorting to insults. As you said - people go to forums for information, help, or an educated opinion. You posted and Bigglesworth offered his educated opinion. What is the problem exactly?
 

MagicalMidge

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I am only 10 years old.



Going to unfollow this thread now as all information wanted has been had. I could take nothing more from this thread and the fact that 10 year olds have found their way here and are using it as a comment section. Use this post to get out your frustration from life being too fat, no one liking you however don't bring it to me.
 

Ryiah

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Going to unfollow this thread now as all information wanted has been had. I could take nothing more from this thread and the fact that 10 year olds have found their way here and are using it as a comment section. Use this post to get out your frustration from life being too fat, no one liking you however don't bring it to me.
Thank you for your concern about my health. As I have recently hit the age of 30 I probably should begin to evaluate my diet to ensure good health as I progress further in the direction of middle-age. For right now though I feel my weight of 190 pounds at six feet in height is only barely out of ideal range.

Now the fact that I am balding on the other hand... well there is very little I can do about that.
 

WaterTipper

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Going to unfollow this thread now as all information wanted has been had. I could take nothing more from this thread and the fact that 10 year olds have found their way here and are using it as a comment section. Use this post to get out your frustration from life being too fat, no one liking you however don't bring it to me.
Aw, I'm so sorry MagicalMidge.
I had no idea you were a fat 10 year old and no one liked you.

If people here hurt your big boy feelings, feel free to PM me; I'll be more than happy to send you a picture of a Snickers bar to make you feel better.
 

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Thank you for your concern about my health. As I have recently hit the age of 30 I probably should begin to evaluate my diet to ensure good health as I progress further in the direction of middle-age. For right now though I feel my weight of 190 pounds at six feet in height is only barely out of ideal range.

Now the fact that I am balding on the other hand... well there is very little I can do about that.


I was thinking of suggesting that you guys cool it (not you so much Ryiah) but at least MagicalMidge has gracefully bowed out after letting us all know that this isn't youtube. Now I know why the videos weren't playing.
 

casilleroatr

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Facades also work on applied energistics cables. I think I saw on a recent episode of Direwolf20's server play that he was taking a facade off of a an ME interface block too. I cant think of any other mods that use facades on there wires/cables etc.
 

KirinDave

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Can you expand on that? Have Facades been improved to work on more than just pipes?


Yeah in 1.5 more and more people are adding support. It's sort of a horse race between Immibis Microblocks and Facades. I suspect IMB will win because IMB can work on any block, even blocks that the author of the mod didn't intent to.
 

Jadedcat

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Warnings have been handed out. Be civil and polite. Do not make on of us mods come back here again.
 

WaterTipper

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Warnings have been handed out. Be civil and polite. Do not make on of us mods come back here again.

Darn.
At least it's not as bad as Minecraft Forums, where you get suspended for a week for saying the word "crap" :P

Anyways, if this discussion is still going on:
Just use them sparingly, you never know.
(I just use them here and there for ambient lighting in my house)
 
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Greyed

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Yeah in 1.5 more and more people are adding support. It's sort of a horse race between Immibis Microblocks and Facades. I suspect IMB will win because IMB can work on any block, even blocks that the author of the mod didn't intent to.

Well, what about the differences between Facades and Microblocks? That's the part I was more interested in. You said one was a TE and the other was not?
 

KirinDave

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Well, what about the differences between Facades and Microblocks? That's the part I was more interested in. You said one was a TE and the other was not?


Immibis Microblocks can't work with Thermal Expansion, but it works with just about everything else der the sun and you can even add new tile entity classes into the config file and it works. Facades work with AE and pipes and well... let's face it that IS a lot of use! :D

But this comment was made before that Microparts thing by chickenbones. That's probably the Way Forward.