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Harvest88

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Noticed no one mentioned Hetzner, we used to use these third party hosting companies, all of them were terrible, expensive and most of the time didn't have a clue about what they were doing. When we moved over to Hetzner all our problems disappeared overnight and haven't returned since.

https://robot.your-server.de/order/market
or for SSD
http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex40ssd

I know where your coming at.. (man why is getting hosting is so annoying??) Hopefully Provision will change that since yea that processor is another good one but I don't have the money to get one of these nor do I not wanna waste time managing one of these. (I don't even know how to install a control panel..)
 

Connor Gavitt

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A SSD isn't much greater then a 7200rpm HDD minecraft performance wise, sure reads/writes will be faster but sata3 is right up there, I can do a prism search for many things in a 100 block area on a sata3 raid 1 array in just 2 seconds, I had a raid 10 array on SSDs and it took 1 seconds, and in game performance is exactly the same.
 

Harvest88

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since HDDs are mechanical drives won't the motors inside them will slow down as the they wear and tear? and since SSDs are better it, would take those more wear and tear before they get ineffective?
 

Connor Gavitt

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That is true but that takes years to make a impact on read/writes. However SSDs aren't infinitely durable chips either. Reading up on their life span may clarify better then I can describe. However said from the chances of failure (low for both) they can last about the same. Ish
 

Harvest88

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alright cool thanks for the bit of explanation and I know nothing lasts forever but thought since it not mechanical it would outlive the HDDs. Now I know they really don't and both should lasts quite some time.
 

Connor Gavitt

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Also depends on the maker, and lots of other things so some SSDs and HDDs out last different ones. Same thing with failure rates. depends on a lot of things, however it is generally safer to be with a SSD when talking about failures.
 

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Minecraft can generate a ton of IO overhead, if for example you have a few players exploring different worlds the server side lag can be very noticeable on a standard HDD. We did used to have a server on HDD and for some reason if anyone went exploring in TF server would start lagging for everyone, to the point where those exploring would be apologising for basically playing the game. Since we moved onto SSDs that issue vanished. It completely depends on how many players/how many worlds and how many are exploring (generating new terrain) but to say a HDD is comparable to an SSD just isn't true, SSDs are superior in pretty much every way.
 

Francis Baster

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Minecraft can generate a ton of IO overhead, if for example you have a few players exploring different worlds the server side lag can be very noticeable on a standard HDD. We did used to have a server on HDD and for some reason if anyone went exploring in TF server would start lagging for everyone, to the point where those exploring would be apologising for basically playing the game. Since we moved onto SSDs that issue vanished. It completely depends on how many players/how many worlds and how many are exploring (generating new terrain) but to say a HDD is comparable to an SSD just isn't true, SSDs are superior in pretty much every way.

Just a quick note about lag in the Twilight Forest. From what I've seen, most of the performance issues are caused by the CPU-intensive terrain generation, with all the dungeons etc. Interesting that you noted an improvement when switching to SSD however.
 

Harvest88

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You can meter the total CPU usage easily so he knew if the CPU wasn't going crazy it's had to be HDD.
 

Connor Gavitt

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Minecraft can generate a ton of IO overhead, if for example you have a few players exploring different worlds the server side lag can be very noticeable on a standard HDD. We did used to have a server on HDD and for some reason if anyone went exploring in TF server would start lagging for everyone, to the point where those exploring would be apologising for basically playing the game. Since we moved onto SSDs that issue vanished. It completely depends on how many players/how many worlds and how many are exploring (generating new terrain) but to say a HDD is comparable to an SSD just isn't true, SSDs are superior in pretty much every way.
That hardly has an effect on lag during exploration, I use a HDD for generation of around 15 worlds in coords well into the millions. (larger coords is more to write) and I have seen no difference in performance perhaps when you changed servers/hosts for the SSD it has a better CPU.
 

Harvest88

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he clearly stated that he yanked out the HDD and replaced with the SSD but you could be right if he actually switch to a better machine or whatever.
 

Connor Gavitt

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Well if he is using a host that is not the case, if it is home hosted his internet could have been slower or the cpu. Many factors in place. SSDs are greater in a lot of ways but they aren't super fix all my lag now things either
 

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Our CPU in the old machine with HDD was an i7-3770 and was around 5% usage, the new machine with SSD has an i7-4770 with around the same usage. We have daily/weekly/monthly graphs that monitor everything from CPU, Disk Drive IO, Network Traffic etc, for us it was Disk Drive IO that was the issue as we dont have borders on our maps, it could have been a faulty HDD but for us we noticed a huge difference.
 

Harvest88

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Did you check the core and thread that Minecraft is running on as well? Because Minecraft is after all single core and threaded. But yea I get it because this is saying http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html that those two processors are not too bad from one another. So when metering the CPU make sure it's the very core and thread that Minecraft is using.
 

Connor Gavitt

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The maker of the drives and how they were made affects it as well, a SSDS is better then a HDD but for me with 10 worlds some over 250GB growing at 7GB ish a day I didn't notice much of a difference. But I do have a bungee setup over several cores on a powerful CPUCPU