Why aren't the advanced machines in the modpack? The rotary macerator, singularity compressor, and the like? They're incredibly useful - for those that don't know, they are to the macerator, compressor and extractor what the induction furnace is to the electric furnace.
IC2 Advanced Machines
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What modpack are you talking about? They're in MindCrack and Ultimate, last I checked.
The induction furnace is pretty pointless, as is the singularity compressor, but the rotary macerator takes upgrades so you can make it pretty bloody fast. Totally worth it, when you're making boatloads of energy.
They are? Fair enough. I'm using DW20.
I'm really not sure why you think they're useless - they're a lot faster than a non-overclocked normal machine, and a lot cheaper - both in terms of materials and energy - than an overclocked one.
May I point out something? The Induction Furnace is in "vanilla" IC2, the Singularity Compressor and Rotary Macerator are added by Adv. Machines.
Ah, there's your problem. I hope you aren't too deep into your world, or you aren't playing on a server so you can add them manually.
Indeed, they are more efficiency, but by the time I start being able to really build a lot of machines for automatic processing, energy production is no longer an issue. At that point, I'll usually get a fully overclocked electro furnace or two for manual usage, and then an array of them for automated usage.
Industrial grinders are much more useful for automated usage, because of the additional resources obtained from them, so macerators are really left out of this.
Besides manual usage, and automated usage, there isn't anything else left to deal with as such.
Ah, right, yes. It's an "advanced" machine that is not a part of that modpack. Good call!
To confirm, via the FTB launcher, I'm seeing FTB Ultimate V1.0.1 has advancedmachines. The wiki, as is often the case, is wrong it seems.
they are not in the pack of direwolf is because direwolf would use the advanced machines for automatic ore and item processing, but this season he decided to take the Thermal Expansion route and thus didn't find it needed to have advanced machines installed.
The question is answered nicely in the above post, as what goes in the DW20 pack is entirely up to Direwolf.
As for the mod itself, I find the Advanced Machines to be absolutely critical to my enjoyment of IC2 as a whole! IC2 falls apart completely without them for me. In Ultimate I use them for efficient rapid response processing that doesn't murder my electrical buffer. They work very well in tandem with the heavily-consuming GregTech machines as well.
As for the mod itself, I find the Advanced Machines to be absolutely critical to my enjoyment of IC2 as a whole! IC2 falls apart completely without them for me. In Ultimate I use them for efficient rapid response processing that doesn't murder my electrical buffer. They work very well in tandem with the heavily-consuming GregTech machines as well.
The compressor is awesome. The rotary macerator is somewhat less so. Ironically i think these machines are way less useful when Gregtech is missing. Automating them without something like sneakypipes (which GT has) is an exercise in frustration and eye gouging.
But seriously, why would you EVER use the rotary macerator? In the packs that have it? As opposed to one (or if your volume is high, a pair of) Industrial Grinder(s)? It's more efficient, but yield is important.
But seriously, why would you EVER use the rotary macerator? In the packs that have it? As opposed to one (or if your volume is high, a pair of) Industrial Grinder(s)? It's more efficient, but yield is important.
Not sure if the direwolf20 pack has all the mods direwolf has but from watching his let's play season 5 I swear he has the induction furnace. Although maybe that is vanilla IC2... Not sure...
Because you don't use GregTech?
Because it's huge and you don't have the space for it?
Because automating it is a PITA?
There are many reasons to not use an industrial grinder.
Um, the packs offered by FTB that have Advanced Machines have GT too, so...
It is not that big. Especially given how compact infinite water pipes can be now. Liquid Void blocks from xycraft make this fun and cool looking, btw.
How is it different from any other sided machine to automate?
I'd love to hear some good ones. The only one I can think of offhand is, "Small remote processing stations that do not have on-site power generation could use the rotary macerator." But the number of times where you'd want such a thing are pretty small. Ender chests really suck a lot of air out of the design space.
That's too bad, as GregTech adds a LOT of additional content to the game. It's also on by default on the Ultimate and MindCrack packs, to warn you.
It takes up eight blocks for each possible head (if you only have one or two heads on your industrial grinder, you aren't using it effectively).
If you aren't able to find the space for this machine, your machine workshop is not properly designed as it should be easily expandable.
Greg actually adds a lot of automation blocks that make automating it extremely easy.
None of those are logical reasons if your aim is to maximize your output.
Induction Furnace IS in vanilla IC2. It was meant as a T2 machine to counter-balance metal doubling from the macerator...
And the reason why the other 'advance machines' are not part of IC2 vanilla is because there are two versions of that add-on:
Atomic Stryker's, who additive recipes can help create bronze and refined iron directly, but require more EU/t
Synke's Original Advance Machines, which require less EU/t to keep running, and keep to the tradition of zippinus's orginial add-on (the first major add-on to IC2)...
Hence the reason why it's not in IC2 main is to allow add-on creators to design their own machine variations. Personally, I like Atomic's machines better, but many find them to be energy sinks and 'waste too much EU'. Instead of forcing players into one advance machine style, players are given the freedom to choose which add-on's take on this mechanic they like...
Choice, right? Isn't that what you advocate?
Eh, the Induction Furnace is good because it not only runs a lot faster, it processes twice as much material at the same time. Much better than an OC'd electric furnace. But really, I prefer to just use TE for just about everything I used to use IC2 for. And MPS for the gear.
No, it is not. It may be cheaper in regards to power, but it is not better in regards to speed. It runs at about a 4x overclocked electro furnace level. An eight, or twelve overclocked electrofurnace will do many stacks before the induction furnace even gets halfway through its stack.
The induction furnace is a fairly crappy investment if speed is a priority.